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Your nest is not built in this way... This is exactly the sentiment i was talking about though. If you buy a car that had a faulty AC unit, do you just swear

Your nest is not built in this way... This is exactly the sentiment i was talking about though. If you buy a car that had a faulty AC unit, do you just swear off cars altogether because "they all have shitty AC"? Why do so many people like to bring up bugs/issues with poor iot devices and act like it is something that can't be improved or fixed?

mikeash 11y ago
I think it's because it's so prevalent. If your car had a faulty AC unit, you wouldn't swear off all cars, because most cars don't have that problem. But I feel like we're all still waiting for an Internet of Things Thing to show up that's actually done right. And it's been long enough that if nobody has done it right so far, it seems like a distinct possibility that nobody ever will.
- Klathmon 11y ago
  >And it's been long enough that if nobody has done it right so far, it seems like a distinct possibility that nobody ever will. But it hasn't been that long at all, and there are people doing it right. The problem is that they are expensive and don't offer the same amount of features that some people want. Take the "traditional" smarthome networks like z wave and friends. I have a z wave light switch that works as a lightswitch 100% of the time. I actually installed the switches before i had a controller for them. Add a controller and you have a "smarthome". Connect that controller to your wifi and you have the ability to control these things safely from within your own network using anything from a bash script to shitty iphone apps. Connect that network to the internet through a firewall and an authentication system and you now can control all of that stuff securely across the planet. If any one of those breaks, functionality is reduced. Internet is down, i can't control it outside the house. Controller goes down, i can't control them as groups or from within the house but still "remotely". But it will literally always turn on/off the lights when i hit the switch. I don't need to worry about the security of a cheap chinese zwave knockoff thing because the controller is that gatekeeper. That's IOT done right. But people don't want to pay the money for that, they don't want to pay an electrician to come out and install them across the whole house, they don't care about security or what happens when the internet is down, they want a light they can control from their phone for as cheap as possible as fast as possible. And of course when people are asking for a product, manufacturers are going to make it.
  - ocdtrekkie 11y ago
    Indeed, I'm quite happy with my INSTEON system. They're stylish, high quality in wall switches, they have a very reliable (though unfortunately proprietary) communications protocol. The serial and USB adapters for them are easy to code for and there's a variety of third party control programs available. I'm writing my own actually. They also now have a cloud hub for people who want that sort of thing.
marcosdumay 11y ago
If nearly all cars available had a faulty breaking system, would you swear off cars altogether or would you keep looking for one with it fixed?

mikeash 11y ago

I think it's because it's so prevalent. If your car had a faulty AC unit, you wouldn't swear off all cars, because most cars don't have that problem. But I feel like we're all still waiting for an Internet of Things Thing to show up that's actually done right. And it's been long enough that if nobody has done it right so far, it seems like a distinct possibility that nobody ever will.

Klathmon 11y ago
>And it's been long enough that if nobody has done it right so far, it seems like a distinct possibility that nobody ever will. But it hasn't been that long at all, and there are people doing it right. The problem is that they are expensive and don't offer the same amount of features that some people want. Take the "traditional" smarthome networks like z wave and friends. I have a z wave light switch that works as a lightswitch 100% of the time. I actually installed the switches before i had a controller for them. Add a controller and you have a "smarthome". Connect that controller to your wifi and you have the ability to control these things safely from within your own network using anything from a bash script to shitty iphone apps. Connect that network to the internet through a firewall and an authentication system and you now can control all of that stuff securely across the planet. If any one of those breaks, functionality is reduced. Internet is down, i can't control it outside the house. Controller goes down, i can't control them as groups or from within the house but still "remotely". But it will literally always turn on/off the lights when i hit the switch. I don't need to worry about the security of a cheap chinese zwave knockoff thing because the controller is that gatekeeper. That's IOT done right. But people don't want to pay the money for that, they don't want to pay an electrician to come out and install them across the whole house, they don't care about security or what happens when the internet is down, they want a light they can control from their phone for as cheap as possible as fast as possible. And of course when people are asking for a product, manufacturers are going to make it.
- ocdtrekkie 11y ago
  Indeed, I'm quite happy with my INSTEON system. They're stylish, high quality in wall switches, they have a very reliable (though unfortunately proprietary) communications protocol. The serial and USB adapters for them are easy to code for and there's a variety of third party control programs available. I'm writing my own actually. They also now have a cloud hub for people who want that sort of thing.

marcosdumay 11y ago

If nearly all cars available had a faulty breaking system, would you swear off cars altogether or would you keep looking for one with it fixed?