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I would be all for banning submissions from zerohedge.com outright. It's just noise that makes it harder for me to skim headlines for actual content.

jackgavigan 11y ago
Seconded.
laxatives 11y ago
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I feel the same way about Vice. Its not news, its entertainment. And when you can't disambiguate the two, its fucking dangerous.
- jorgecurio 11y ago
  Yes VICE makes 100% of everything up. This is why even big news media outlets own a stake in it. Bush did 911 too.
- awakeasleep 11y ago
  BBC.com is FAR worse than Vice.
- fiatmoney 11y ago
  "The News" exists as a genre because it is entertaining, and this has been true literally since the inception of mass media with the printing press.
- wdr1 11y ago
  > Its not news, its entertainment. And when you can't disambiguate the two, its fucking dangerous. I consider the Daily Show both, as do many others.
johnnyb9 11y ago
I kinda like the articles on Zero Hedge. Is there a reason people on HN don't seem to like it?
- mikeyouse 11y ago
  They're usually extremely misleading if not completely false. The headlines are all cherry-picked doom and gloom that appeals to the Infowars crowd.. There was a period during the GFC where their reporting was a bit more reflective of reality but it's completely jumped the shark since then. From someone who works in finance, ZH is complete garbage.
  - 21 11y ago
    ZH was good in 2009. Then it slowly went downhill. It became an anti HFT/anti Fed site, then a gold-bug site, and now a pro Russia/China outlet. Typical ZH logic: when gold goes up, it's the smart investors noticing the corruption of the "markets" and acting accordingly. When gold goes down, it's the HFTs and the Feds slamming it down because if it goes up it destroys the faith in the US Dollar. If it spikes up, it smart money doing a play. If it spikes down, it's blatant manipulation by someone without a "fiduciary duty" (ie: they imply that the seller doesn't care that he loses money because it sells quickly instead of working the order more slowly)
    - adventured 11y ago
      They've gone almost entirely anti-China in the last six months give or take. Here's a very extreme example from today: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/world-economy-wreckers-beijing http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/world-economy-wreck...
21 11y ago
Thirded. ZeroHedge is full of conspiracy theories about the banks, Fed, EU, and the Western World in general. On the other hand, whatever Russia or China does, especially militarily, is great and shows good leadership. Even this article starts by accusing the Fed multiple times of not noticing the fraudulent wire transfers, when in fact towards the end they say that the feds stopped 90% of the fraudulent transfers and notified the Bangladesh central bank of irregularities!
- flashman 11y ago
  > whatever Russia or China does, especially militarily, is great and shows good leadership. I submit the 'China' category page as a counter-argument: http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/139 http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/139 If you just want one recent story, here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/world-economy-wreckers-beijing http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/world-economy-wreck...
  - 21 11y ago
    Yes, they do criticize China when they "blatantly props up the market" as ZH would say, but only because it would stink too hard to not say anything when the credo of ZH is that "governments manipulate markets and thats a bad thing". But if you read the articles, you'll see that ZH has a very favorable opinion of China, especially when it provokes the US, like the current situation in the Spratly islands However Russia, I never ever saw a bad article about them, or especially about Vlad, which is the current ZH hero.
tootie 11y ago
I never tire of the quality reportage of Tyler Durden.
chad_strategic 11y ago
Wow! That's so 1984 of you. I wonder if you can burn zerohedge at 451 degrees?
dang 11y ago
zerohedge.com has been banned on HN for years. This particular story was vouched for by established users, so we left it unkilled. On HN we care about about the quality of the story, not the site. Of course, the two are related; sites are penalized or banned here according to the probability of their stories not being good based on past experience. But it's important to leave room for exceptions.
randomname2 11y ago
It's already penalized [1] and most submissions would get flagged anyway. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11263530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11263530

jackgavigan 11y ago

Seconded.

laxatives 11y ago

This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I feel the same way about Vice. Its not news, its entertainment. And when you can't disambiguate the two, its fucking dangerous.

jorgecurio 11y ago
Yes VICE makes 100% of everything up. This is why even big news media outlets own a stake in it. Bush did 911 too.
awakeasleep 11y ago
BBC.com is FAR worse than Vice.
fiatmoney 11y ago
"The News" exists as a genre because it is entertaining, and this has been true literally since the inception of mass media with the printing press.
wdr1 11y ago
> Its not news, its entertainment. And when you can't disambiguate the two, its fucking dangerous. I consider the Daily Show both, as do many others.

johnnyb9 11y ago

I kinda like the articles on Zero Hedge. Is there a reason people on HN don't seem to like it?

mikeyouse 11y ago
They're usually extremely misleading if not completely false. The headlines are all cherry-picked doom and gloom that appeals to the Infowars crowd.. There was a period during the GFC where their reporting was a bit more reflective of reality but it's completely jumped the shark since then. From someone who works in finance, ZH is complete garbage.
- 21 11y ago
  ZH was good in 2009. Then it slowly went downhill. It became an anti HFT/anti Fed site, then a gold-bug site, and now a pro Russia/China outlet. Typical ZH logic: when gold goes up, it's the smart investors noticing the corruption of the "markets" and acting accordingly. When gold goes down, it's the HFTs and the Feds slamming it down because if it goes up it destroys the faith in the US Dollar. If it spikes up, it smart money doing a play. If it spikes down, it's blatant manipulation by someone without a "fiduciary duty" (ie: they imply that the seller doesn't care that he loses money because it sells quickly instead of working the order more slowly)
  - adventured 11y ago
    They've gone almost entirely anti-China in the last six months give or take. Here's a very extreme example from today: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/world-economy-wreckers-beijing http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/world-economy-wreck...

21 11y ago

Thirded. ZeroHedge is full of conspiracy theories about the banks, Fed, EU, and the Western World in general. On the other hand, whatever Russia or China does, especially militarily, is great and shows good leadership. Even this article starts by accusing the Fed multiple times of not noticing the fraudulent wire transfers, when in fact towards the end they say that the feds stopped 90% of the fraudulent transfers and notified the Bangladesh central bank of irregularities!

flashman 11y ago
> whatever Russia or China does, especially militarily, is great and shows good leadership. I submit the 'China' category page as a counter-argument: http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/139 http://www.zerohedge.com/taxonomy/term/139 If you just want one recent story, here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/world-economy-wreckers-beijing http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-10/world-economy-wreck...
- 21 11y ago
  Yes, they do criticize China when they "blatantly props up the market" as ZH would say, but only because it would stink too hard to not say anything when the credo of ZH is that "governments manipulate markets and thats a bad thing". But if you read the articles, you'll see that ZH has a very favorable opinion of China, especially when it provokes the US, like the current situation in the Spratly islands However Russia, I never ever saw a bad article about them, or especially about Vlad, which is the current ZH hero.

tootie 11y ago

I never tire of the quality reportage of Tyler Durden.

chad_strategic 11y ago

Wow! That's so 1984 of you. I wonder if you can burn zerohedge at 451 degrees?

dang 11y ago

zerohedge.com has been banned on HN for years. This particular story was vouched for by established users, so we left it unkilled. On HN we care about about the quality of the story, not the site. Of course, the two are related; sites are penalized or banned here according to the probability of their stories not being good based on past experience. But it's important to leave room for exceptions.

randomname2 11y ago

It's already penalized [1] and most submissions would get flagged anyway. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11263530 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11263530