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Full transcript: https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/jefm-v-lynch-deposition-honorable-jack-h-weil https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/jefm-v-lynch-deposition-

Full transcript: https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/jefm-v-lynch-deposition-honorable-jack-h-weil https://www.aclu.org/legal-document/jefm-v-lynch-deposition-... The comments in question start on page 18. --- Q. It must be true that there's some children that are so young that even if they receive the notice and even if they're given an explanation by the judge, they're still not going to understand what's going on right? A. I have to do a case-by-case basis determination. I've taught immigration law literally to three year olds and four year olds. It takes a lot of time. It takes a lot of patience. They get it. It's not the most efficient, but it can be done. Q. I understand that you think it can be done. Are you aware of any experts in child psychology or comparable experts who agree with the assessment that three and four year olds ca be taught immigration law A. I haven't read any studies one way or another. Q. What about like a one year old? A. I mean, I think there's a point that there has to be communication. There has to be communication at some point. Q. So what do you train judges as to cases in which communication is impossible because the child is too young? A. What we train is if a respondent, child or adult, cannot perform functions necessary for the hearing to be fair, the judge should not proceed.

venomsnake 11y ago
I read it as a judge going onion. The fact that he teaches them means that they do have need for council. The fact that it is inefficient is "look at the stupid shit I have to do, to be able to do my job" I may be wrong of course. But after all if the system wanted to protect said 3 years old - they would not have gone to hearing anyway. Btw - can't the kids get protection under cruel and unusual punishment?
- sotoer 11y ago
  "Btw - can't the kids get protection under cruel and unusual punishment?" I would think so. Particularly after being required to learn US immigration law.
- maxlybbert 11y ago
  > can't the kids get protection under cruel and unusual punishment? It's possible to be declared a refugee if you can prove you'll be persecuted in your home country for any number of reasons (gender, religion, ethnic group, etc.). I have no idea how difficult it is to do that.
  - venomsnake 11y ago
    Hmm ... I was thinking for the whole fact of a four year old being put in front of the judge to be cruel (sadly not unusual)
    - techdragon 11y ago
      For that kind of protection, I'm fairly sure they have to already be a citizen of the United States.
      - maxlybbert 11y ago
        I don't see how refugee status would work if it were only extended to citizens. The basic idea is that you ask one country to protect you from another, and the country you want protection from is usually the one you have citizenship in ( https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum ): "Refugees are generally people outside of their country who are unable or unwilling to return home because they fear serious harm. ... "You may seek a referral for refugee status only from outside of the United States. ... "Asylum status is a form of protection available to people who: * Meet the definition of refugee * Are already in the United States * Are seeking admission at a port of entry "You may apply for asylum in the United States regardless of your country of origin or your current immigration status."
    - maxlybbert 11y ago
      I wasn't sure if it was a joke or a deep misunderstanding. Sadly, there are enough people who don't understand "cruel and unusual punishment" that I figured that was more likely.
    - 11y ago
maxlybbert 11y ago
Thank you. The article mentions both the DoJ and Weil claimed that the comments were taken out of context, and then the article made no effort to add any context.

venomsnake 11y ago

I read it as a judge going onion. The fact that he teaches them means that they do have need for council. The fact that it is inefficient is "look at the stupid shit I have to do, to be able to do my job" I may be wrong of course. But after all if the system wanted to protect said 3 years old - they would not have gone to hearing anyway. Btw - can't the kids get protection under cruel and unusual punishment?

sotoer 11y ago
"Btw - can't the kids get protection under cruel and unusual punishment?" I would think so. Particularly after being required to learn US immigration law.
maxlybbert 11y ago
> can't the kids get protection under cruel and unusual punishment? It's possible to be declared a refugee if you can prove you'll be persecuted in your home country for any number of reasons (gender, religion, ethnic group, etc.). I have no idea how difficult it is to do that.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  Hmm ... I was thinking for the whole fact of a four year old being put in front of the judge to be cruel (sadly not unusual)
  - techdragon 11y ago
    For that kind of protection, I'm fairly sure they have to already be a citizen of the United States.
    - maxlybbert 11y ago
      I don't see how refugee status would work if it were only extended to citizens. The basic idea is that you ask one country to protect you from another, and the country you want protection from is usually the one you have citizenship in ( https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum ): "Refugees are generally people outside of their country who are unable or unwilling to return home because they fear serious harm. ... "You may seek a referral for refugee status only from outside of the United States. ... "Asylum status is a form of protection available to people who: * Meet the definition of refugee * Are already in the United States * Are seeking admission at a port of entry "You may apply for asylum in the United States regardless of your country of origin or your current immigration status."
  - maxlybbert 11y ago
    I wasn't sure if it was a joke or a deep misunderstanding. Sadly, there are enough people who don't understand "cruel and unusual punishment" that I figured that was more likely.
  - 11y ago

maxlybbert 11y ago

Thank you. The article mentions both the DoJ and Weil claimed that the comments were taken out of context, and then the article made no effort to add any context.