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Unions?

• brianwawok 11y ago
  Those did work out well for the auto makers in the US.
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  • nostrebored 11y ago
    And excellently in the sphere of teaching. I would be woeful to see devs operate with the same level of impunity with the toxicity that exists within our community...
    • brianwawok 11y ago
      Yes the teaching system is amazingly toxic. Ask anyone in US secondary education.
  • andrei_says_ 11y ago
    I hope we are all aware that this is not a black and white issue, that there are many ways to approach it and that there many ways to bring balance to an unbalanced situation. After recently reading of a whole company's IT staff being forced to train their H1B replacements under the threat of not receiving severance pay, and then fired as soon as the training was completed, the thought of unions does cross my mind.
    • brianwawok 11y ago
      > After recently reading of a whole company's IT staff being forced to train their H1B replacements under the threat of not receiving severance pay, and then fired as soon as the training was completed, the thought of unions does cross my mind. You think unions would fix this? Has it stopped auto jobs from leaving the US? It sounds like we need to fix H1B laws, and giving tax breaks to companies moving overseas. Throwing in a union sounds good in theory, but I don't think it would actually work.
  • pjmlp 11y ago
    They do work out well in many European countries. We do have unions for IT.
    • brianwawok 11y ago
      Does the best technology come out of these European union IT orgs? My understanding is Americans in IT make much much better pay compared to Europeans in IT. I have seen what a union environment is like. Your pay is fixed based on the number of years you worked at a company, nothing else matters. It is a race to the bottom.
      • pjmlp 11y ago
        Do you do mostly 40h week, get your overtime properly paid and asked nicely to do extra hours on the weekends? And have the opportunity to spend valuable time with family and friends? I do.
  • gaius 11y ago
    They work very well for automakers in Germany.
    • brianwawok 11y ago
      True, but is the German law and trade agreements the same as the American law and trade agreements? Something working well in 1 environment does not mean it will work well in a totally different environment.
      • gaius 11y ago
        Agreed, but the data doesn't support the position that unions are inherently bad - they just don't suit the US or UK.