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>The gender roles are not baked into out DNA. Men are larger and stronger than women, women are flooded with hormones during pregnancy that force a bond betwee
by clevernickname 11y ago
>The gender roles are not baked into out DNA.
Men are larger and stronger than women, women are flooded with hormones during pregnancy that force a bond between them and their children. That is literally your biology encouraging a role.
>There are 'baked-in' DNA traits, that have emergently caused cultures to adopt those gender roles in their historical contexts.
Evolution is random chance leading to mutations that improve fitness. Cultures didn't wake up one day, notice that the men were stronger than the women and the women had stronger bonds with their children, and allocate people accordingly. The divergence in traits happened naturally over millennia, because specializing the genders for different roles resulted in improved fitness over keeping them identical, and thus, more likely to survive and produce offspring.
>'Baked-id' DNA traits are now emergently leading to the abandonment of gender roles in the context of western cultures & economies.
A liberal swing in culture is trying to encourage people to abandon their traditional gender roles, is upset when the majority of people want to stick to relatively traditional roles, and is confused when the people that do buck the traditional roles usually end up unhappy about it (working mothers sad because they don't get to spend enough time with kids, kids developing poorly because they didn't get to bond enough with their parents, etc).
You probably think I'm advocating the 50s status quo of men working all day and never seeing their children, women not being allowed into the workplace, and children spending the majority of their time being indoctrinated by the state; far from it, and that's not even a traditional lifestyle in any sense of the phrase. I would much prefer a lifestyle in which fathers and mothers can both work and spend time with their children, as was the norm prior to the industrial revolution. But passing judgement on modern lifestyles wasn't my point.
All I'm saying is that biology has a great influence on the roles people take up, and you can try to fight it all you want, but if you try to claim that the influence isn't there and it's all just a whim of culture, then you are engaging in the exact same kind of willfully ignorant anti-scientific thinking that people ridicule flat earthers and climate change deniers for. You have chosen your hypothesis and your conclusion and will ignore any evidence or train of thought that might lead you astray from it. The only difference is that the pendulum of liberal vs. conservative values has not yet swung back far enough for society to call you out on it.
- shkkmo 11y ago> Men are larger and stronger than women, women are flooded with hormones during pregnancy that force a bond between them and their children. Strength/size is a physical trait, not a gender role. Hormone release is a physical process, not a gender role. >"A liberal swing in culture is trying to encourage people to abandon their traditional gender roles" If you think that gender roles haven't changed repeatedly undergone significant change multiple times in the last several hundred year, you are living in a fantasy world. > "people that do buck the traditional roles usually end up unhappy about it" False. Please go do some research and re-evaluate your assumptions. > "All I'm saying is that biology has a great influence on the roles people take up," No, you claimed that gender roles are baked into our DNA. Biology has a great influence on everything, including people's choices of gender roles. > "You have chosen your hypothesis and your conclusion and will ignore any evidence or train of thought that might lead you astray from it. " Please provide said evidence, because it sounds like you are talking about yourself.
- AnthonyMouse 11y ago> Strength/size is a physical trait, not a gender role. Hormone release is a physical process, not a gender role. Where do you think gender roles come from? The most common job in the US is truck driver. It's not software developer money but it pays better than you might expect. Truck drivers are overwhelming male and you might not see an obvious reason for that and want to blame "gender roles" or sexism. But truck drivers get paid by the mile. So after you drive your truck to a loading dock, you're then standing around not getting paid while 20,000 pounds of freight is loaded or unloaded. You want to get back on the road doing the thing that makes you money, so the truck driver helps with the loading and unloading (which is what everybody expects you to do), and suddenly the population of truck drivers skews toward people with more physical strength which skews heavily male. Then the truck driver is away from home all the time so the truck driver's spouse is the one who takes primary responsibility for the kids, and now we have gender roles even if society didn't start with them.
- shkkmo 11y ago...wow... Do you really believe the reason why fewer than 6% of truck drivers are female is because women are not physically strong enough for the job? Do you really believe this has nothing to do with the sexism of the industry and the perception of this industry by society?