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It's not just society, it's also biology. Even if "parenting" roles were completely equal, "childbirth" role would fall only on women, so they would still take

by tomp 11y ago

It's not just society, it's also biology. Even if "parenting" roles were completely equal, "childbirth" role would fall only on women, so they would still take more time off for children (and hence get lower pay).

FD3SA 11y ago
Indeed, the crusade against biology is one I watch with great amusement. Don Quixote would be proud of those who hoist their flags in battle against evolution, biology and the laws of the universe itself. Keep up the good fight, dear gender abolitionists, for you truly are against a formidable foe.
- RUG3Y 11y ago
  Your perspective is quite similar to mine. The hubris of our current society is baffling sometimes.
- aussieindian 11y ago
  all this is caused by one weakness exhibited by many men. 1. Attempting to fix the problems of the women in their circle and the resulting echo chamber effect. These men feel guilty when they hear/see women getting into a victim complex or when they are uncomfortable with market forces. I keep asking my wife & women I know to demand higher salaries and they are content to take the easy non-confrontational path.
mst 11y ago
Artificial Uterus, or in the Vorkosigan saga, 'Uterine Replicator'
Dylan16807 11y ago
Technically correct but irrelevant. Childbirth itself takes a couple weeks. A proportional pay gap from that would be well under one percent, and it could be offset by the fact that women live five years longer.
- tomp 11y ago
  > A proportional pay gap from that would be well under one percent If only pay gap were proportional... I'm afraid that employers penalize time off work disproportionally, probably exponentially; part-time work doesn't have half the salary of full-time work, and when employees take a few weeks off, they don't forgo only those weeks' salary, but also slow down their future learning, progress and promotions. Whether that's fair or not is debatable (I'd say it makes sense from employers' point of view, but they're probably unnecessarily harsh with it for game-theoretical reasons), but it probably affects all employees taking time off equally, not just women.
  - Dylan16807 11y ago
    This is a hypothetical scenario where parenting roles are equal, meaning lots of men are taking off months, and lots of women are taking off months plus a couple weeks. People take off a couple weeks all the time; it's called vacation. I can't see any meaningful pay difference making sense.
estefan 11y ago
Oppressor! youtube.com/watch?v=vAc5JqcBPK8

by tomp 11y ago

FD3SA 11y ago

Indeed, the crusade against biology is one I watch with great amusement. Don Quixote would be proud of those who hoist their flags in battle against evolution, biology and the laws of the universe itself. Keep up the good fight, dear gender abolitionists, for you truly are against a formidable foe.

RUG3Y 11y ago
Your perspective is quite similar to mine. The hubris of our current society is baffling sometimes.
aussieindian 11y ago
all this is caused by one weakness exhibited by many men. 1. Attempting to fix the problems of the women in their circle and the resulting echo chamber effect. These men feel guilty when they hear/see women getting into a victim complex or when they are uncomfortable with market forces. I keep asking my wife & women I know to demand higher salaries and they are content to take the easy non-confrontational path.

mst 11y ago

Artificial Uterus, or in the Vorkosigan saga, 'Uterine Replicator'

Dylan16807 11y ago

Technically correct but irrelevant. Childbirth itself takes a couple weeks. A proportional pay gap from that would be well under one percent, and it could be offset by the fact that women live five years longer.

tomp 11y ago
> A proportional pay gap from that would be well under one percent If only pay gap were proportional... I'm afraid that employers penalize time off work disproportionally, probably exponentially; part-time work doesn't have half the salary of full-time work, and when employees take a few weeks off, they don't forgo only those weeks' salary, but also slow down their future learning, progress and promotions. Whether that's fair or not is debatable (I'd say it makes sense from employers' point of view, but they're probably unnecessarily harsh with it for game-theoretical reasons), but it probably affects all employees taking time off equally, not just women.
- Dylan16807 11y ago
  This is a hypothetical scenario where parenting roles are equal, meaning lots of men are taking off months, and lots of women are taking off months plus a couple weeks. People take off a couple weeks all the time; it's called vacation. I can't see any meaningful pay difference making sense.

estefan 11y ago

Oppressor! youtube.com/watch?v=vAc5JqcBPK8