8 ms·

We're a 100% Go shop and everyone on my team but me uses Visual Studio Code for Go. It's really amazing. (My mind has just been so corrupted by years of vim usa

We're a 100% Go shop and everyone on my team but me uses Visual Studio Code for Go. It's really amazing. (My mind has just been so corrupted by years of vim usage I'm trapped.) It's bizarre to think my team writes in a language created by Google in an editor created by Microsoft on System76 laptops running Ubuntu. Never would have been possible in the Gates or Ballmer eras.

jalude 11y ago
I want to start using Visual Studio Code but I am waiting for a VIM emulator plugin that is "good enough" have you tried any of them?
- jamra 11y ago
  I tried one recently (2 months ago) and no it's not good enough. The integrated debugger via delve is absolutely great.
  - Lewisham 11y ago
    Yeah, I am not a Vim shortcut aficionado at all, but not having . be repeat command was such a deal breaker for me.
- slammers 11y ago
  Recent issue discussing this - https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/3600 https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/3600
  - aggronn 11y ago
    This is great. Its too bad there isn't a +1 button for comments in github issues, because some of them are just incredibly important to highlight. I just installed VSCode and was impressed overall and would absolutely use it, except I could never switch to an editor that didn't have basic things like this, which was mentioned in the issue thread. Numeric arguments (3dd, 2x, ...) support for combining commands (ci[, cW, ggVG, ...) visual commands Anyone who uses vim primarily lives by these features.
    - slammers 11y ago
      Good feedback. I'm working on how we can improve the vim experience in VS Code Now that we have essentials completed (accessibility, localization) this is an important use case for us. Disclaimer: I'm on the VS Code team. Ping me on Github @waderyan or Twitter @waderyan_.
- johnnycarcin 11y ago
  I am playing around with https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=vscodevim.vim https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=vscodevi... It has most of the basic stuff working. I will admit that with the auto complete and what not it isn't quite like my native vim experience. I have actually been thinking about disabling it and just trying to learn the VScode short cuts.
- schmichael 11y ago
  While I'm far from a vim pro, I've never found a vim plugin that didn't frustrate me. Hence I've been stuck in vim because my brain just can't get used to non-modal editing. Just heard from a coworker after I posted this he's switching back to vim because the vim plugin for VS Code isn't quite there.
  - tshannon 11y ago
    Same for me, which is why nvim is so exciting.
  - Sir_Cmpwn 11y ago
    Visual Studio != Visual Studio Code, but VsVim for Visual Studio is excellent, and this is from a daily/advanced Vim user.
- carussell 11y ago
  amVim is the better of the two, but VSCodeVim is the one that seems to have the most mindshare (almost definitely because of the name and it came first). Both amVim and VSCodeVim still have problems that mean they're not drop-in replacement for even stock Vim, but most of them come down to limitations in the VSCode extension APIs at this point. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=auiworks.amvim https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=auiworks...
melling 11y ago
Can anyone who uses Visual Studio Code compare its functionality to the native Visual Studio? I forgot about this project because it's seldom mentioned: https://code.visualstudio.com/Download https://code.visualstudio.com/Download
- zwily 11y ago
  It's a completely separate project. I'm not sure there's a useful comparison between the two.
  - melling 11y ago
    How is it as an editor? There are already lots of popular choices: vim, Emacs, Sublime, Atom, etc. How are the plugins? Code completion, multiple cursors, AceJump, etc?
    - OldSchoolJohnny 11y ago
      Jesus, just try it dude! No one can confirm your personal preferences for you. It's literally the easiest application in the world to try out, doesn't even require installation.
- softawre 11y ago
  Yeah. VSCode has infinitely more functionality on my macbook than VS does. :D But seriously, if you're running Windows and have a VS license, use VS. Otherwise use VSCode. VSCode is the best IDE for TypeScript. Some will point at atom, they are wrong.
  - arethuza 11y ago
    Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition is zero cost and doesn't appear to have any obvious weaknesses (apart from being Windows only): https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/compare-visual-studio-2015-products-vs.aspx https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/compare-visual-s...
mmgutz 11y ago
VS.Code + the go plugin is quite good. I recommend it to my team members who prefer GUI-based editors. VS.Code is surprisingly much faster than Atom even though they share the same electron editor. I think vim + vim-go is still the best go editor if you know vim. It just works and it gets updated frequently.
- jonesb6 11y ago
  I use Jetbrain's IDEA with a Go plugin and it fits all my needs. Do you know how it compares to VS? Never got into VS myself and i'm hesitant to swap IDE's though I'd be willing to try if it's a significant improvement.
  - themartorana 11y ago
    This is my setup of choice. It's absolutely fantastic.
  - mmgutz 11y ago
    Most go-related plugins are reaching parity in that they mostly use the same background services and utilities to update the editor. My guess is Jetbrain's IDE has roughly the same features. FWIW, VS.code starts up much faster than WebStorm on my machine.
    - jonesb6 11y ago
      Good to know. When I switched from windows to ubuntu I saw WebStorm start-up improve 2-3x. Haven't tried VS.code yet but I've found JetBrains products to run very well on linux machines.
  - adambrenecki 11y ago
    I've switched from PyCharm (based on the same IntelliJ Platform as IDEA) to VS Code, and it's so much faster to work with. That said, I've found that it's not nearly as good at all the code intelligence stuff as PyCharm is. I've never used IntelliJ's Go tools, but VS Code is much better at that stuff in Go than Python. (I believe it uses third-party open-source tools in both cases; code intelligence for a statically typed language like Go is probably much simpler which probably helps.) The best way to look at VS Code is as an IDE minus the 'integrated' bit - instead of having the core editor and UI bundled in with all the code intelligence stuff for a specific set of languages, it's a text editor with a code intelligence and debugger UI, that calls out to out-of-process plugins to do the heavy lifting.
coolsunglasses 11y ago
Which System76 laptops? I'm in the market for a Linux-native laptop which'll compile faster than my MBP.
- kozukumi 11y ago
  Not the same person as parent but I wouldn't recommend System 76 personally. I got caught up in the hype and got a Lemur 14" but the build quality is pretty poor and I had awful keyboard issues (since fixed I believe). If you want something that runs Linux well I have stuck with ThinkPad's. You really can't beat them in terms of performance, reliability and Linux support.
  - jokoon 11y ago
    I recently got a thinkpad L440, I chose the bad wifi chipset (I did some research first, nowhere would have had read about that issue), and that chipset is not supported. I installed some backport which seems to turn off/on at times. I don't think there are decent brands for linux, or it might require deeper pockets. That's the cost of not working with microsoft.
    - kozukumi 11y ago
      My main machine is still a T420s and it runs every Linux version I through at it without fail. I haven't heard any bad things about more modern T series (or W series) with Linux, not sure about the L series though sorry.
  - simondedalus 11y ago
    Thinkpenguin makes very good stuff. I don't have any experience with the current models, but in terms of build quality and bang for the buck, I think they blow System 76 away. Admittedly, I use a Thinkpad t430 and a MacBook Air myself, but if I didn't have more laptops than I knew what to do with, I'd be considering Thinkpenguin (though, I'm of the same mind as Linus Torvalds, http://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-i-love-my-macbook-air/ http://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds... , so I'd be likely to get a refurb'd MacBook Air). Edit: link to Thinkpenguin site: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/ https://www.thinkpenguin.com/
namelezz 11y ago
For this extension to work, you need to install several Go tools in GOPATH. How did you manage your GOPATH across multiple projects? Do you have a single GOPATH for every project or each project has its own GOPATH?
- KyleBrandt 11y ago
  I set my GOPATH to my home dir, and only use a single GOPATH for all projects. This way things are where you might expect relative to your home dir (If thinking in FHS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard). For example, executables end up in ~/bin, everything else is in ~/src. Never had any issues with this setup.
- blinkingled 11y ago
  Gaah, I thought this will provide me with some motivation to try writing some Go code but can't even get started with installing the analysis tools - cannot find package "golang.org/x/tools/go/types". Anyway will debug that one later but if anyone has a hint, go ahead.
  - lukehoban 11y ago
    If the automated install of the analysis tools doesn't work, you can always just manually install them into your GOPATH. See https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-go#tools https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-go#tools.
    - blinkingled 11y ago
      Thanks, but manual install fails with same error for golint and goreturns. I ended up git cloning into my %GOPATH%\src\golang.org\x from https://go.googlesource.com/tools https://go.googlesource.com/tools and https://go.googlesource.com/net https://go.googlesource.com/net - that seems to have fixed it.
- schmichael 11y ago
  At work we have a monorepo and therefore a single GOPATH (we use a tool called glock for dependency pinning). A monorepo a fantastic way to live, but I totally understand that it doesn't work for everyone.
frik 11y ago
Has VS Code still the phone home feature, that can't be turned off? (no it's not okay to sniff on my data or usage, on my computer!)
- carussell 11y ago
  If you build from source, osscode will never connect to those endpoints. Alternatively, you can just edit them out of the product.json from the release build that you download from MS.
  - lcfcjs 11y ago
    Or just not use this crappy product
- calebegg 11y ago
  It can be turned off now: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-disable-telemetry-reporting https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-di...
  - integraton 11y ago
    Only by manually editing internal program files using the command line. Also, > You will need to apply these changes after every update to disable collection of usage data. These changes do not survive product updates.
    - jongalloway2 11y ago
      The Feb 2016 release has a new setting that (I believe) persists between updates: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/3182 https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/3182 https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-disable-telemetry-reporting https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-di...
fapjacks 11y ago
To be fair (and I can't believe I'm saying this), Bill Gates is spending a third of his time punching the clock at Microsoft, advising Nadella. It may not have been technically possible in the Gates era for this to happen, but I certainly agree with you on the Ballmer point. Anyways, I've been wondering how much of this Gates is responsible for.
SixSigma 11y ago
You can add an extra bit : > a language created by Google by guys using Macintosh laptops > in an editor created by Microsoft At a plan9 conference when people turned up with Mac laptops, Brucee (who wrote considerable portions of Go's ancestors - Inferno & Limbo) remarked to me : "the interesting thing about the Mac was that it wasn't X86 and it wasn't Unix ... now it's both!".
berkeleynerd 11y ago
The only thing holding me back is the lack of an integrated terminal. This is absolutely essential to my *nix workflow and I can't for the life of me imagine a reason to not include it. Otherwise, I love what I'm seeing here.
- coldtea 11y ago
  >This is absolutely essential to my nix workflow* Well, most editors and even IDEs don't offer one. >and I can't for the life of me imagine a reason to not include it. The reason being that terminal semantics are hell difficult to implement, and doubly so in a web-based stack?
  - berkeleynerd 11y ago
    I'm using IntelliJ with the golang plugin at the moment and am spoiled by the integrated terminal. A quick Google search seems to indicate that the atom editor has a terminal plugin so maybe that would be a good basis for a port. VS Code feels much snappier than IntelliJ so I look forward to the day with an integrated terminal is available.
bitmapbrother 11y ago
Shouldn't attribution of Visual Studio Code also be given to Google since it uses a large portion of code from the Chromium project?

jalude 11y ago

I want to start using Visual Studio Code but I am waiting for a VIM emulator plugin that is "good enough" have you tried any of them?

jamra 11y ago
I tried one recently (2 months ago) and no it's not good enough. The integrated debugger via delve is absolutely great.
- Lewisham 11y ago
  Yeah, I am not a Vim shortcut aficionado at all, but not having . be repeat command was such a deal breaker for me.
slammers 11y ago
Recent issue discussing this - https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/3600 https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/3600
- aggronn 11y ago
  This is great. Its too bad there isn't a +1 button for comments in github issues, because some of them are just incredibly important to highlight. I just installed VSCode and was impressed overall and would absolutely use it, except I could never switch to an editor that didn't have basic things like this, which was mentioned in the issue thread. Numeric arguments (3dd, 2x, ...) support for combining commands (ci[, cW, ggVG, ...) visual commands Anyone who uses vim primarily lives by these features.
  - slammers 11y ago
    Good feedback. I'm working on how we can improve the vim experience in VS Code Now that we have essentials completed (accessibility, localization) this is an important use case for us. Disclaimer: I'm on the VS Code team. Ping me on Github @waderyan or Twitter @waderyan_.
johnnycarcin 11y ago
I am playing around with https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=vscodevim.vim https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=vscodevi... It has most of the basic stuff working. I will admit that with the auto complete and what not it isn't quite like my native vim experience. I have actually been thinking about disabling it and just trying to learn the VScode short cuts.
schmichael 11y ago
While I'm far from a vim pro, I've never found a vim plugin that didn't frustrate me. Hence I've been stuck in vim because my brain just can't get used to non-modal editing. Just heard from a coworker after I posted this he's switching back to vim because the vim plugin for VS Code isn't quite there.
- tshannon 11y ago
  Same for me, which is why nvim is so exciting.
- Sir_Cmpwn 11y ago
  Visual Studio != Visual Studio Code, but VsVim for Visual Studio is excellent, and this is from a daily/advanced Vim user.
carussell 11y ago
amVim is the better of the two, but VSCodeVim is the one that seems to have the most mindshare (almost definitely because of the name and it came first). Both amVim and VSCodeVim still have problems that mean they're not drop-in replacement for even stock Vim, but most of them come down to limitations in the VSCode extension APIs at this point. https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=auiworks.amvim https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=auiworks...

melling 11y ago

Can anyone who uses Visual Studio Code compare its functionality to the native Visual Studio? I forgot about this project because it's seldom mentioned: https://code.visualstudio.com/Download https://code.visualstudio.com/Download

zwily 11y ago
It's a completely separate project. I'm not sure there's a useful comparison between the two.
- melling 11y ago
  How is it as an editor? There are already lots of popular choices: vim, Emacs, Sublime, Atom, etc. How are the plugins? Code completion, multiple cursors, AceJump, etc?
  - OldSchoolJohnny 11y ago
    Jesus, just try it dude! No one can confirm your personal preferences for you. It's literally the easiest application in the world to try out, doesn't even require installation.
softawre 11y ago
Yeah. VSCode has infinitely more functionality on my macbook than VS does. :D But seriously, if you're running Windows and have a VS license, use VS. Otherwise use VSCode. VSCode is the best IDE for TypeScript. Some will point at atom, they are wrong.
- arethuza 11y ago
  Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition is zero cost and doesn't appear to have any obvious weaknesses (apart from being Windows only): https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/compare-visual-studio-2015-products-vs.aspx https://www.visualstudio.com/en-us/products/compare-visual-s...

mmgutz 11y ago

VS.Code + the go plugin is quite good. I recommend it to my team members who prefer GUI-based editors. VS.Code is surprisingly much faster than Atom even though they share the same electron editor. I think vim + vim-go is still the best go editor if you know vim. It just works and it gets updated frequently.

jonesb6 11y ago
I use Jetbrain's IDEA with a Go plugin and it fits all my needs. Do you know how it compares to VS? Never got into VS myself and i'm hesitant to swap IDE's though I'd be willing to try if it's a significant improvement.
- themartorana 11y ago
  This is my setup of choice. It's absolutely fantastic.
- mmgutz 11y ago
  Most go-related plugins are reaching parity in that they mostly use the same background services and utilities to update the editor. My guess is Jetbrain's IDE has roughly the same features. FWIW, VS.code starts up much faster than WebStorm on my machine.
  - jonesb6 11y ago
    Good to know. When I switched from windows to ubuntu I saw WebStorm start-up improve 2-3x. Haven't tried VS.code yet but I've found JetBrains products to run very well on linux machines.
- adambrenecki 11y ago
  I've switched from PyCharm (based on the same IntelliJ Platform as IDEA) to VS Code, and it's so much faster to work with. That said, I've found that it's not nearly as good at all the code intelligence stuff as PyCharm is. I've never used IntelliJ's Go tools, but VS Code is much better at that stuff in Go than Python. (I believe it uses third-party open-source tools in both cases; code intelligence for a statically typed language like Go is probably much simpler which probably helps.) The best way to look at VS Code is as an IDE minus the 'integrated' bit - instead of having the core editor and UI bundled in with all the code intelligence stuff for a specific set of languages, it's a text editor with a code intelligence and debugger UI, that calls out to out-of-process plugins to do the heavy lifting.

coolsunglasses 11y ago

Which System76 laptops? I'm in the market for a Linux-native laptop which'll compile faster than my MBP.

kozukumi 11y ago
Not the same person as parent but I wouldn't recommend System 76 personally. I got caught up in the hype and got a Lemur 14" but the build quality is pretty poor and I had awful keyboard issues (since fixed I believe). If you want something that runs Linux well I have stuck with ThinkPad's. You really can't beat them in terms of performance, reliability and Linux support.
- jokoon 11y ago
  I recently got a thinkpad L440, I chose the bad wifi chipset (I did some research first, nowhere would have had read about that issue), and that chipset is not supported. I installed some backport which seems to turn off/on at times. I don't think there are decent brands for linux, or it might require deeper pockets. That's the cost of not working with microsoft.
  - kozukumi 11y ago
    My main machine is still a T420s and it runs every Linux version I through at it without fail. I haven't heard any bad things about more modern T series (or W series) with Linux, not sure about the L series though sorry.
- simondedalus 11y ago
  Thinkpenguin makes very good stuff. I don't have any experience with the current models, but in terms of build quality and bang for the buck, I think they blow System 76 away. Admittedly, I use a Thinkpad t430 and a MacBook Air myself, but if I didn't have more laptops than I knew what to do with, I'd be considering Thinkpenguin (though, I'm of the same mind as Linus Torvalds, http://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-i-love-my-macbook-air/ http://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds... , so I'd be likely to get a refurb'd MacBook Air). Edit: link to Thinkpenguin site: https://www.thinkpenguin.com/ https://www.thinkpenguin.com/

namelezz 11y ago

For this extension to work, you need to install several Go tools in GOPATH. How did you manage your GOPATH across multiple projects? Do you have a single GOPATH for every project or each project has its own GOPATH?

KyleBrandt 11y ago
I set my GOPATH to my home dir, and only use a single GOPATH for all projects. This way things are where you might expect relative to your home dir (If thinking in FHS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard). For example, executables end up in ~/bin, everything else is in ~/src. Never had any issues with this setup.
blinkingled 11y ago
Gaah, I thought this will provide me with some motivation to try writing some Go code but can't even get started with installing the analysis tools - cannot find package "golang.org/x/tools/go/types". Anyway will debug that one later but if anyone has a hint, go ahead.
- lukehoban 11y ago
  If the automated install of the analysis tools doesn't work, you can always just manually install them into your GOPATH. See https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-go#tools https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode-go#tools.
  - blinkingled 11y ago
    Thanks, but manual install fails with same error for golint and goreturns. I ended up git cloning into my %GOPATH%\src\golang.org\x from https://go.googlesource.com/tools https://go.googlesource.com/tools and https://go.googlesource.com/net https://go.googlesource.com/net - that seems to have fixed it.
schmichael 11y ago
At work we have a monorepo and therefore a single GOPATH (we use a tool called glock for dependency pinning). A monorepo a fantastic way to live, but I totally understand that it doesn't work for everyone.

frik 11y ago

Has VS Code still the phone home feature, that can't be turned off? (no it's not okay to sniff on my data or usage, on my computer!)

carussell 11y ago
If you build from source, osscode will never connect to those endpoints. Alternatively, you can just edit them out of the product.json from the release build that you download from MS.
- lcfcjs 11y ago
  Or just not use this crappy product
calebegg 11y ago
It can be turned off now: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-disable-telemetry-reporting https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-di...
- integraton 11y ago
  Only by manually editing internal program files using the command line. Also, > You will need to apply these changes after every update to disable collection of usage data. These changes do not survive product updates.
  - jongalloway2 11y ago
    The Feb 2016 release has a new setting that (I believe) persists between updates: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/3182 https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/3182 https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-disable-telemetry-reporting https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_how-to-di...

fapjacks 11y ago

To be fair (and I can't believe I'm saying this), Bill Gates is spending a third of his time punching the clock at Microsoft, advising Nadella. It may not have been technically possible in the Gates era for this to happen, but I certainly agree with you on the Ballmer point. Anyways, I've been wondering how much of this Gates is responsible for.

SixSigma 11y ago

You can add an extra bit : > a language created by Google by guys using Macintosh laptops > in an editor created by Microsoft At a plan9 conference when people turned up with Mac laptops, Brucee (who wrote considerable portions of Go's ancestors - Inferno & Limbo) remarked to me : "the interesting thing about the Mac was that it wasn't X86 and it wasn't Unix ... now it's both!".

berkeleynerd 11y ago

The only thing holding me back is the lack of an integrated terminal. This is absolutely essential to my *nix workflow and I can't for the life of me imagine a reason to not include it. Otherwise, I love what I'm seeing here.

coldtea 11y ago
>This is absolutely essential to my nix workflow* Well, most editors and even IDEs don't offer one. >and I can't for the life of me imagine a reason to not include it. The reason being that terminal semantics are hell difficult to implement, and doubly so in a web-based stack?
- berkeleynerd 11y ago
  I'm using IntelliJ with the golang plugin at the moment and am spoiled by the integrated terminal. A quick Google search seems to indicate that the atom editor has a terminal plugin so maybe that would be a good basis for a port. VS Code feels much snappier than IntelliJ so I look forward to the day with an integrated terminal is available.

bitmapbrother 11y ago

Shouldn't attribution of Visual Studio Code also be given to Google since it uses a large portion of code from the Chromium project?