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> the societal pressure placed on women to be accommodating and not be rude and how this can be manipulated to constrain female agency in the world Without com
by pervycreeper 11y ago
> the societal pressure placed on women to be accommodating and not be rude and how this can be manipulated to constrain female agency in the world
Without commenting on whether this is a fair assessment, I will observe that in order to make this case for this to be true, more evidence than a single (fictional) anecdote would be necessary, and one would also want to accurately assess whether non-women are also expected not to be rude.
- printering 11y agoDonald Trump.
- chris_wot 11y agoSteve Jobs and Larry Ellison.
- jsmthrowaway 11y agoProfessor Fate! (Wait, we're just naming random people who come to mind, right? That's what this thread is about, I gather?)
- chris_wot 11y agoTry to keep up. The OP stated "and one would also want to accurately assess whether non-women are also expected not to be rude". So I provided two very good examples. Donald Trump is another. Unless you believe that Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison were/are expected to be polite constantly.
- oldmanjay 11y agoRoseanne Barr. There, women aren't expected to polite constantly either, since you seem to believe visible exceptions prove some sort of point.
- facepalm 11y agoSarah Palin - I think that is the standard reply to trotting out the example of Donald Trump to prove X about men?
- nostrebored 11y agoStrong username for this reply. If you don't think women are socialized to be accommodating you have your head in the sand. Look at profession choices, look at the plethora of anecdotal stories, and look at how parents interact with their daughters.
- towlejunior 11y ago> look at the plethora of anecdotal stories Early frontrunner, Least Persuasive Rhetoric of the Year
- nostrebored 11y agoWhen you ignore that nearly the entirety of the experiences that people share you're probably filtering out signal. But knowing HN some people won't be satisfied until we do a double blind study over the entirety of someone's life until they're an adult. Ooh and don't forget n must be ge 1000
- towlejunior 11y agoAll well and good. No one will read "look at the plethora of anecdotal stories" and think, "Oh, now I see." It's a bit like saying, "There are convincing things out there. I don't have time to get into it, but the point is, you're wrong. Please accept this."
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- azernik 11y agoAnd, you know, the multitude of peer-reviewed studies on the effects of this conditioning (causation is harder to measure, of course).
- facepalm 11y agoLinks?
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