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You know what's funny is you can't even flash Raspbian on an SD Card on Windows without a third party application [1]. If Microsoft is going to be all gung-ho a

You know what's funny is you can't even flash Raspbian on an SD Card on Windows without a third party application [1]. If Microsoft is going to be all gung-ho about open source and about the Pi, maybe they should ship "dd" with their command prompt...and bash / coreutils while they're at it. Until they do that, development on Windows is going to be a pain outside of the Visual Studio walled garden, and barely anyone is going to want to develop on Windows when 99% of the tutorials and documentation online is written for a bash prompt. And I'm not talking about just Pi development - developing anything on Windows is a huge pain without a Bash prompt and proper coreutils support. [1] https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/windows.md https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/insta...

runjake 11y ago
> And I'm not talking about just Pi development - developing anything on Windows is a huge pain without a Bash prompt and proper coreutils support. Now that's some grade A nonsense.
- pmalynin 11y ago
  Aye, developing C# is a breeze and perhaps the best development experience I've ever had.
- daveguy 11y ago
  I think he meant to say "not talking about just Pi development -- developing anything for embedded systems on Windows is a huge pain" or "...developing anything cross-platform on Windows is a huge pain"
Someone1234 11y ago
> And I'm not talking about just Pi development - developing anything on Windows is a huge pain without a Bash prompt and proper coreutils support. You haven't used Windows in a very very long time I take it? Powershell is likely a better shell than Bash and Microsoft freely provides compilers for C/C++/.Net and you can trivially get compilers for most other major languages on the platform. All I am reading from your complaints is that you're scared of learning something new.
- colejohnson66 11y ago
  PowerShell may be much better than the command prompt ever was, but it still doesn't contain a `dd' equivalent
  - deleted 11y ago
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- omaranto 11y ago
  I might add that the C# compiler seems to come pre-installed on windows, nowadays.
  - colejohnson66 11y ago
    It is? I had to install Visual Studio manually the other day in order to compile C#. Or are you talking about `csc.exe'?
    - omaranto 11y ago
      I did mean csc.exe. On my machine csc.exe came pre installed but was not on the path.
  - ygra 11y ago
    The (old) C# compiler, as the VB compiler, was actually part of the .NET framework starting with .NET 2. Since .NET comes pre-installed on Windows, you also have a compiler. However, the new C# 6 compiler is no longer included in the framework, I think. When you install .NET 4.6 it even adds a notice to the old compiler's greeting message: This compiler is provided as part of the Microsoft (R) .NET Framework, but only supports language versions up to C# 5, which is no longer the latest version. For compilers that support newer versions of the C# programming language, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=533240 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=533240.
    - omaranto 11y ago
nivla 11y ago
I am perfectly fine downloading an external application to write an image the sd card just like I am perfectly fine in using "apt-get install" for any application that doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu/Raspbian. If 99.9% of your users aren't going to use a feature why bother bundling it? If there was no effective way of doing this on Windows then I can understand the reasoning behind your statement. However, that is not the case so am sorry but this comes off as pissy person trying hard to find a reason.
castratikron 11y ago
What do you mean you can't flash an SD card in Windows? Never heard of Win32DiskImager?
chadzawistowski 11y ago
You might find this helpful: https://github.com/t0x0/random https://github.com/t0x0/random It seems to convert the ffu format to a dd-able img format. I haven't tried using it, however.
NicoJuicy 11y ago
Well, you can't format a SD card with a unix file system on Windows.. Seems logical to me. You can format the SD-card with a 3rd party app that's free. Okay, i'll download that.. Actually, i don't really understand the problem and i also don't agree with developing anything on windows is a huge pain... I run a lot of github projects just fine on my Windows 10 without additional hassle if VC++ is correctly configured :)
- johnny22 11y ago
  that doesn't seem logical to me. I can format ntfs and hfs partitions (and many others) on linux.
  - NicoJuicy 11y ago
    For the ability to create ntfs drives on Ubuntu, you need to: sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs That's the same as installing a third party application i suppose ;) -- http://blog.onetechnical.com/2009/06/09/format-an-ntfs-drive-in-ubuntu/ http://blog.onetechnical.com/2009/06/09/format-an-ntfs-drive...
yitchelle 11y ago
Here is dd for Windows. http://www.chrysocome.net/dd http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
shanselman 11y ago
Excellent point

runjake 11y ago

> And I'm not talking about just Pi development - developing anything on Windows is a huge pain without a Bash prompt and proper coreutils support. Now that's some grade A nonsense.

pmalynin 11y ago
Aye, developing C# is a breeze and perhaps the best development experience I've ever had.
daveguy 11y ago
I think he meant to say "not talking about just Pi development -- developing anything for embedded systems on Windows is a huge pain" or "...developing anything cross-platform on Windows is a huge pain"

Someone1234 11y ago

> And I'm not talking about just Pi development - developing anything on Windows is a huge pain without a Bash prompt and proper coreutils support. You haven't used Windows in a very very long time I take it? Powershell is likely a better shell than Bash and Microsoft freely provides compilers for C/C++/.Net and you can trivially get compilers for most other major languages on the platform. All I am reading from your complaints is that you're scared of learning something new.

colejohnson66 11y ago
PowerShell may be much better than the command prompt ever was, but it still doesn't contain a `dd' equivalent
- deleted 11y ago
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omaranto 11y ago
I might add that the C# compiler seems to come pre-installed on windows, nowadays.
- colejohnson66 11y ago
  It is? I had to install Visual Studio manually the other day in order to compile C#. Or are you talking about `csc.exe'?
  - omaranto 11y ago
    I did mean csc.exe. On my machine csc.exe came pre installed but was not on the path.
- ygra 11y ago
  The (old) C# compiler, as the VB compiler, was actually part of the .NET framework starting with .NET 2. Since .NET comes pre-installed on Windows, you also have a compiler. However, the new C# 6 compiler is no longer included in the framework, I think. When you install .NET 4.6 it even adds a notice to the old compiler's greeting message: This compiler is provided as part of the Microsoft (R) .NET Framework, but only supports language versions up to C# 5, which is no longer the latest version. For compilers that support newer versions of the C# programming language, see http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=533240 http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=533240.
  - omaranto 11y ago

nivla 11y ago

I am perfectly fine downloading an external application to write an image the sd card just like I am perfectly fine in using "apt-get install" for any application that doesn't come bundled with Ubuntu/Raspbian. If 99.9% of your users aren't going to use a feature why bother bundling it? If there was no effective way of doing this on Windows then I can understand the reasoning behind your statement. However, that is not the case so am sorry but this comes off as pissy person trying hard to find a reason.

castratikron 11y ago

What do you mean you can't flash an SD card in Windows? Never heard of Win32DiskImager?

chadzawistowski 11y ago

You might find this helpful: https://github.com/t0x0/random https://github.com/t0x0/random It seems to convert the ffu format to a dd-able img format. I haven't tried using it, however.

NicoJuicy 11y ago

Well, you can't format a SD card with a unix file system on Windows.. Seems logical to me. You can format the SD-card with a 3rd party app that's free. Okay, i'll download that.. Actually, i don't really understand the problem and i also don't agree with developing anything on windows is a huge pain... I run a lot of github projects just fine on my Windows 10 without additional hassle if VC++ is correctly configured :)

johnny22 11y ago
that doesn't seem logical to me. I can format ntfs and hfs partitions (and many others) on linux.
- NicoJuicy 11y ago
  For the ability to create ntfs drives on Ubuntu, you need to: sudo apt-get install ntfsprogs That's the same as installing a third party application i suppose ;) -- http://blog.onetechnical.com/2009/06/09/format-an-ntfs-drive-in-ubuntu/ http://blog.onetechnical.com/2009/06/09/format-an-ntfs-drive...

yitchelle 11y ago

Here is dd for Windows. http://www.chrysocome.net/dd http://www.chrysocome.net/dd

shanselman 11y ago

Excellent point