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> just how creepy do you have to get before people start caring? It has to be in some way that isn't automated. If a tree falls in the forest, and a surveilla
by neutronicus 11y ago
> just how creepy do you have to get before people start caring?
It has to be in some way that isn't automated.
If a tree falls in the forest, and a surveillance system integrates it with the sound of millions of trees falling in forests all over the country in order to build and monetize a detailed model of trees falling in forests, but no one actually listens to it ... did it make a sound?
- api 11y agoGot it. So it's going to take a pedophile site appearing on a darknet that contains thousands of hours of captured home camera footage of naked kids, or a well documented case of an activist or journalist being singled out for a high-resolution IRS audit based on their home political speech.
- neutronicus 11y agoMore pedophile, less activist (who gives a shit about activists...).
- mratzloff 11y agoSomeone wanting to force US legislative action on this might be so inclined to create a site that live streams video from cameras across the country, searchable by city.
- fixermark 11y agoI mean, that already exists; it's called Shodan, and it lets you search the webcam output of cams that have their security improperly configured and are dumping data in the open. The engine: https://www.shodan.io/ https://www.shodan.io/ The Ars Technica story: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/how-to-search-the-internet-of-things-for-photos-of-sleeping-babies/ http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/01/how-to-search-the-in... ... and still the public does not care.
- zardo 11y agoIf anything, people would think of it as evil hackers breaking into their webcams, the legal solution would be harsher punishments for computer crimes.
- mratzloff 11y agoShodan is really not at all what I had in mind. I wouldn't expect the public to get worked up over it. You show it in a news report and people shrug because it's a search engine with text results.
- fixermark 11y agoCheck the Ars article. The images.shodan.io feed (available to paid accounts) allows you to get the actual feed data.
- achillean 11y agoNote that Shodan grabs a snapshot/ image for many different services, there isn't a focus on webcams and the way Ars characterized it was slightly misleading. And Shodan doesn't show you a feed: it provides a snapshot/ image of the moment that the crawler saw the device - there are no live streams or any special support for webcams.
- krylon 11y agoThere are other scenarios. Apparently (I do not own a car, so forgive my ignorance), it is possible now (at least above a certain price) to unlock your car remotely via smartphone or something. Imagine a criminial organization gaining access to a car manufacturer's network so they can steal cars. Some people apparently like the idea of being able to lock/unlock the front doors of their houses/apartments via smartphone app. I am not certain how this is more convenient than getting a key out of your pocket, but it doesn't matter - the same scenario applies. These are probably going to be "cloud"-based, so if someone can compromise the servers, they can now gain access to entire neighborhoods. (Or, alternatively, lock the doors, keep the people inside.)
- pjc50 11y agopedophile site appearing on a darknet that contains thousands of hours of captured home camera footage of naked kids That was the GCHQ database of hacked webcams.
- x0x0 11y agoAlready happened. A school district recorded photos of kids in their bedrooms at home via laptop camera https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_District https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School...