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When the megacorps like Alphabet and Apple start building their own cities, the nation state will really be in trouble.

johnchristopher 11y ago
Why build it ? It's far easier to lobby the current nation states to get what they need. They just have to keep enough of the public funded government policies and infrastructures they need to continue to strive.
- visakanv 11y ago
  Yep. Every time the new thing comes along (megacorp 'cities'), it breaks the old assumptions about how/why things are done ('build'). Why own a car when you can Uber everywhere? Etc.
- eru 11y ago
  > Why build it ? It's far easier to lobby the current nation states to get what they need. You are truly an optimist. Google can't even get Mountain View to allow them to put up a few skyscrapers. "Google’s plans to build housing on its Mountain View campus in Silicon Valley are being resisted on the ground that residents might keep pets, which could harm the local owl population." (http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21647614-poor-land-use-worlds-greatest-cities-carries-huge-cost-space-and-city http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21647614-poor-land-use...)
  - eitally 11y ago
    This was such a ludicrous decision. I've heard through the grapevine, though, that the council were concerned that if Google build residential housing in North Bayshore (or really anywhere in Mountain View) that they would end up being a large voting block that would control the entirety of local politics. If this was the justification, which I could certainly believe, they should have just said so... not give Intuit the building rights with no additional comment period. Intuit's plan, of course, only includes commercial development, which will make local traffic even worse. But hey, it doesn't cost the city of MOuntain View anything since most of the affected roads are state highways, and the town will collect millions in property taxes. I have never seen an owl in SV. Nor have I ever met a person who has seen an owl. To me, that either indicates the population is in far worse straits than I imagine or this issue is entirely made up (porque no los dos? Because the land proposed for development is already pretty developed -- not remotely "pristine wilderness", I don't really see much happening to drive out what's not there.
  - PopsiclePete 11y ago
    I fucking hate that NIMBY culture in California. It's already ruined San Fran. It's ridiculous and short-sighted to fight high-density housing in this day and age. Ooooh, but yeah, sure is nice to watch your property value go up on that little shack you bought in 1992....
  - theklub 11y ago
    Seems like google could just move anywhere they wanted or threaten to and the city would have to comply.
    - eru 11y ago
      Google already has moved: they have offices around the globe, Sydney, Singapore, New York, London, etc. They still rely on Mountain View as their main campus.
guard-of-terra 11y ago
You can't build a city, you'll end with something not entirely livable and very boring. USSR did this with cities like Tolyatti and Magnitogorsk. You can convince Soviet serfs to live in one but not to-be employees of megacorps.
- jacobush 11y ago
  This sounded plausible until you came to "megacorps". They are not very much different from the Soviet state
  - ptaipale 11y ago
    I think they are very very much different, in fact so different that the comparison is a bit of an insult to the millions of people killed by the Soviet state (its own citizens as well as others).
- troels 11y ago
  Brasilia did better
  - DrScump 11y ago
    A national capital is an exception, not the rule.
  - WildUtah 11y ago
    Everyone who has to live in it hates Brasilia. You can force people to live there because it's a powerful capital city, but it's still awful.
    - marcosdumay 11y ago
      Sorry to break it, but mostly people do like here (I know, because I don't - I'd much rather life at some smaller city). Some come from a coastal area, and will keep complaining about the lack of a sea their entire life, and they are loud. If you are just listening around, you'll get a very biased sample.
pluma 11y ago
Why build your own city if you can just settle in an existing city and rebuild it in your own image? This is pretty much what Facebook has been accused of.

Why build it ? It's far easier to lobby the current nation states to get what they need. They just have to keep enough of the public funded government policies and infrastructures they need to continue to strive.

visakanv 11y ago
Yep. Every time the new thing comes along (megacorp 'cities'), it breaks the old assumptions about how/why things are done ('build'). Why own a car when you can Uber everywhere? Etc.
eru 11y ago
> Why build it ? It's far easier to lobby the current nation states to get what they need. You are truly an optimist. Google can't even get Mountain View to allow them to put up a few skyscrapers. "Google’s plans to build housing on its Mountain View campus in Silicon Valley are being resisted on the ground that residents might keep pets, which could harm the local owl population." (http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21647614-poor-land-use-worlds-greatest-cities-carries-huge-cost-space-and-city http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21647614-poor-land-use...)
- eitally 11y ago
  This was such a ludicrous decision. I've heard through the grapevine, though, that the council were concerned that if Google build residential housing in North Bayshore (or really anywhere in Mountain View) that they would end up being a large voting block that would control the entirety of local politics. If this was the justification, which I could certainly believe, they should have just said so... not give Intuit the building rights with no additional comment period. Intuit's plan, of course, only includes commercial development, which will make local traffic even worse. But hey, it doesn't cost the city of MOuntain View anything since most of the affected roads are state highways, and the town will collect millions in property taxes. I have never seen an owl in SV. Nor have I ever met a person who has seen an owl. To me, that either indicates the population is in far worse straits than I imagine or this issue is entirely made up (porque no los dos? Because the land proposed for development is already pretty developed -- not remotely "pristine wilderness", I don't really see much happening to drive out what's not there.
- PopsiclePete 11y ago
  I fucking hate that NIMBY culture in California. It's already ruined San Fran. It's ridiculous and short-sighted to fight high-density housing in this day and age. Ooooh, but yeah, sure is nice to watch your property value go up on that little shack you bought in 1992....
- theklub 11y ago
  Seems like google could just move anywhere they wanted or threaten to and the city would have to comply.
  - eru 11y ago
    Google already has moved: they have offices around the globe, Sydney, Singapore, New York, London, etc. They still rely on Mountain View as their main campus.

guard-of-terra 11y ago

You can't build a city, you'll end with something not entirely livable and very boring. USSR did this with cities like Tolyatti and Magnitogorsk. You can convince Soviet serfs to live in one but not to-be employees of megacorps.

jacobush 11y ago
This sounded plausible until you came to "megacorps". They are not very much different from the Soviet state
- ptaipale 11y ago
  I think they are very very much different, in fact so different that the comparison is a bit of an insult to the millions of people killed by the Soviet state (its own citizens as well as others).
troels 11y ago
Brasilia did better
- DrScump 11y ago
  A national capital is an exception, not the rule.
- WildUtah 11y ago
  Everyone who has to live in it hates Brasilia. You can force people to live there because it's a powerful capital city, but it's still awful.
  - marcosdumay 11y ago
    Sorry to break it, but mostly people do like here (I know, because I don't - I'd much rather life at some smaller city). Some come from a coastal area, and will keep complaining about the lack of a sea their entire life, and they are loud. If you are just listening around, you'll get a very biased sample.

pluma 11y ago

Why build your own city if you can just settle in an existing city and rebuild it in your own image? This is pretty much what Facebook has been accused of.