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What's telling is that Google / YouTube will use this technology to defend the copyrights of big media companies, but won't do anything about homemade, viral vi

by bdrool 11y ago

What's telling is that Google / YouTube will use this technology to defend the copyrights of big media companies, but won't do anything about homemade, viral videos uploaded by individual users which get blatantly copied, re-uploaded, and monetized. If they wanted to, they could easily make it so that the "original" version of any given video was the only one users ever saw, but they don't. They know which side their bread is buttered on.

infinitesoup 11y ago
How do you determine which video is the "original" version? That is, how do you tell which uploader owns the content? There isn't really a way to know until the content owner makes a compliant (anyone can file a DMCA takedown, not just big media companies).
- pyre 11y ago
  The system is stacked in favour of the entity making claim against the video and there is no attempt to curtail bad actors on that side of the table. The system was built with large entities like the movie studios in mind and even those movie studios overstep their bounds.
  - infinitesoup 11y ago
    > there is no attempt to curtail bad actors on that side of the table Do you have evidence to back that up? According to YouTube's Help Center, they do revoke Content ID access from those who abuse the system[0]. [0]: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370
    - pyre 11y ago
      How many "mistaken" claims will it take for (e.g.) Universal Music to have their ContentID access revoked? I posit that they would have to be VERY egregious to get kicked out of the system. Same thing for other larger corporations. I'm not saying that Google won't kick small-time abusers out of the system, but the big players would have to do something really bad to get kicked out of the system.
rryan 11y ago
This video claims that Facebook's lack of a content ID system is harmful to individual / small content creators as their videos are copied and go viral with no compensation to the content creator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7tA3NNKF0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7tA3NNKF0Q The video paints Google and content ID in a very positive light. If what you're saying is true, where does this video go wrong?
- imtringued 11y ago
  Even a corrupt "police" is better than having no "police" at all.
Buge 11y ago
I uploaded a video to youtube, it got stolen by other people, I reported it, and the copy got taken down in about a day. They stole it again several more times, and then it was taken down in about 30 minutes after reporting. I can't really complain. First to upload to youtube does not mean owner. What if something was uploaded to vimeo, or to a person's own website, then someone steals it and uploads it to youtube. Does that give the thief the right to take down all other copies? Or what if something is CC licensed like Big Buck Bunny, does that give the first person to upload to youtube the right to stop all other people uploading to youtube?

by bdrool 11y ago

infinitesoup 11y ago

How do you determine which video is the "original" version? That is, how do you tell which uploader owns the content? There isn't really a way to know until the content owner makes a compliant (anyone can file a DMCA takedown, not just big media companies).

pyre 11y ago
The system is stacked in favour of the entity making claim against the video and there is no attempt to curtail bad actors on that side of the table. The system was built with large entities like the movie studios in mind and even those movie studios overstep their bounds.
- infinitesoup 11y ago
  > there is no attempt to curtail bad actors on that side of the table Do you have evidence to back that up? According to YouTube's Help Center, they do revoke Content ID access from those who abuse the system[0]. [0]: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797370
  - pyre 11y ago
    How many "mistaken" claims will it take for (e.g.) Universal Music to have their ContentID access revoked? I posit that they would have to be VERY egregious to get kicked out of the system. Same thing for other larger corporations. I'm not saying that Google won't kick small-time abusers out of the system, but the big players would have to do something really bad to get kicked out of the system.

rryan 11y ago

This video claims that Facebook's lack of a content ID system is harmful to individual / small content creators as their videos are copied and go viral with no compensation to the content creator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7tA3NNKF0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7tA3NNKF0Q The video paints Google and content ID in a very positive light. If what you're saying is true, where does this video go wrong?

imtringued 11y ago
Even a corrupt "police" is better than having no "police" at all.

Buge 11y ago

I uploaded a video to youtube, it got stolen by other people, I reported it, and the copy got taken down in about a day. They stole it again several more times, and then it was taken down in about 30 minutes after reporting. I can't really complain. First to upload to youtube does not mean owner. What if something was uploaded to vimeo, or to a person's own website, then someone steals it and uploads it to youtube. Does that give the thief the right to take down all other copies? Or what if something is CC licensed like Big Buck Bunny, does that give the first person to upload to youtube the right to stop all other people uploading to youtube?