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So, signing the code constitutes Apple saying this code is safe to run. But Apple doesn't think this code is safe to run. The argument will be that forcing th
by studentrob 11y ago
So, signing the code constitutes Apple saying this code is safe to run. But Apple doesn't think this code is safe to run. The argument will be that forcing them to sign the modified code is compelled speech. Interesting.
Is there any reason Apple can't use more than one argument in its defense?
According to USA vs. New York Telephone, "unreasonable burdens may not be imposed". I think Apple will bear quite a burden if it must force its engineers to implement this code. It will be telling them to reverse their work and go against company values. Also, the public is going to know the outcome of this case. If Apple doesn't come out cheering, we will all know its security features have been weakened, which will impact sales.
- ryanlol 11y ago>Is there any reason Apple can't use more than one argument in its defense? No.
- davidgerard 11y agoPeople routinely use multiple defenses, I'd be amazed if they didn't have a lot more than this.
- PascalsMugger 11y ago> go against company value I wonder how it would go down if they said it was against their religion, a la Hobby Lobby.
- allsystemsgo 11y agoThis comment feels a bit underhanded. The free speech argument is pretty good, is it not?
- khedoros 11y agoHobby Lobby's argument (and the supreme court decision in their favor) involved the element of being "closely held". Apple would need to have over 50% of its stock owned by 5 or fewer individuals to satisfy that requirement.
- dankohn1 11y agoAmusingly, you're allowed to use multiple, mutually exclusive defenses: "Say you sue me because you say my dog bit you. Well, now this is my defense: My dog doesn't bite. And second, in the alternative, my dog was tied up that night. And third, I don't believe you really got bit. And fourth, I don't have a dog." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_pleading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_pleading
- forrestthewoods 11y agoI had no idea. Thanks for sharing.
- spacecowboy_lon 11y agoBut Phone companies do actually do quite a lot to cooperate with their host countries TLA's - I think Apple is naive to use this defence as the FBI CIA and the NSA will just tell the judge but ATT does XYZ we are asking for a lot less. Apple should have thought about this before they got into the phone Biz.
- frandroid 11y agoBecause another company agrees to say something they're being asked to doesn't diminish your right not to say something you don't want to say.
- spacecowboy_lon 11y agoThat's not the point here Apple are trying to claim this requestby the FBI would be burdensome if ATT etc do far more then that defense is flawed and will not work.