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Skype worked far, far better 10 years ago than it does today. From all indications I've seen, Skype is getting dramatically worse all the time. From a personal

Skype worked far, far better 10 years ago than it does today. From all indications I've seen, Skype is getting dramatically worse all the time. From a personal standpoint, it crashes for me multiple times a day and I can rarely get group calls working on the first try. Often Skype requires a force-quit and then it crashes twice more when it is being restarted. This is on Mac and Android. Fun fact: I have a friend who worked for Skype in Prague. He said the codebase is a true horror, an extreme mess, and that soon it would "reach a singularity" :-) He also said that there are whole parts of the codebase that he was not allowed to see, all indications pointing to stuff related to routing the traffic through servers of "the man" ;-)

vanderZwan 11y ago
And when someone tries to innovate in this live group chat space, they get bought out[0]. I doubt we'll see the features of Talko in Skyp any time soon, and I expect whatever creative buzz they had going over at Talko will surely be killed by the forced reintegration into the Microsoft bureaucracy. [0] http://www.talko.com/ http://www.talko.com/
- Cthulhu_ 11y ago
  They /let themselves be bought out/; big difference there. If their ideology was to create a proper Skype competitor, they wouldn't go for the 'quick buck' / become millionaires overnight.
  - pjmlp 11y ago
    You are quite right, I don't understand the HN/Reddit mentality that only the buyer is to blame when FOSS projects get bought. After all they also took the money.
  - vanderZwan 11y ago
    Fair point! However, I stand by my pessimistic view of how things will develop after the buy-out.
- Grishnakh 11y ago
  So all I need to do to become a millionaire is make a Skype clone and then let MS buy me out? Who wants to join me?
  - benedikt 11y ago
    Let's do this
agumonkey 11y ago
The android client is also a bit random. Notifications pops when they feel like it. Some upgrades change for different kind of wrong.
- StreamBright 11y ago
  Best feature is when the wifi drops out it gets unresponsive and you need to kill the app, re-log and redial to get back to were you were. Even WeChat handles that gracefully on my phone.
  - lpsz 11y ago
    Curious why "even" WeChat. WeChat over the years has been one of the most reliable apps I use including for video/voice chat.
    - StreamBright 11y ago
      Well you are right, should not have used even. I agree with you WeChat is the most reliable app that I know of for voice and video chat.
- mschuster91 11y ago
  Also it doesn't support logging in with Facebook accounts. Edit: why the downvotes? It's a feature finely supported on desktop clients, and it does not work on Android - so in order to use Android Skype, I'd have to create a "pure" Skype account (with its own password!), and re-import all my contacts. For me, that's a bug that has seen no activity for over 3 years.
- simgidacav 11y ago
  Usually updates fix the problem. But I loved how the last update failed with a very clear "Error $SomeNumber". I just love Microsoft's style. ...</sarcasm>
- vardump 11y ago
  Android Skype presence colors are messed up. I compared by running the client on OS X, Win10 and Android in the same time. OS X and Win10 clients seemed to pretty much agree on availability status and to be correct. But on Android, contacts that are yellow (away) show often as green (available). Worse, sometimes those who are present show as being offline. Yeah, pretty random!
txdv 11y ago
I hope your friends name is not friendofnakedrobot2
xiaoma 11y ago
Google talk circa 2008 was a lot nicer than Hangouts is now, too. The resource usage was lower, the UI was nicer and it was more responsive. It's really a shame they killed it.
- eru 11y ago
  They are trying hard now to brink Hangouts back from the brink.
  - agentdrtran 11y ago
    Are they? What have the done recently that made Hangouts better?
    - toyg 11y ago
      The first step was disentangling it from G+. I hope the next step is a sane API to let third-party clients integrate with it. It does not have to be XMPP, as long as it's something clear and well-supported.
      - Gratsby 11y ago
        They treat Hangouts like Yahoo would. Great product that they completely hosed by not caring about the userbase.
      - hvidgaard 11y ago
        I wouldn't thrust Google for a second. They are not afraid to close down services with a short notice - so unless I can run my own "Hangouts" backbone it means nothing to me.
    - eru 11y ago
      Sorry, not sure how much I can say in public. (There's lots of stuff that's public, but I can't just do a knowledge dump, because it's not clearly separated in my mind.)
  - 11y ago
pritambarhate 11y ago
In the past year, the Mac client has also become very fragile. If I quit the Skype App without signing out, next time login keeps failing unless I go to the library folder and delete my Skype user profile directory. Quite shameful for such a high profile software.
- mrmondo 11y ago
  I do have my own suspicions that a certain company deliberately degrades the quality of any software they release for platforms other than their own.
  - rjsw 11y ago
    It has got worse on their own platform too.
  - tychuz 11y ago
    Strange, considering that Skype on OS X / iOS was (still is?) better - ie pasting links would generate a thumbnail in messaging, Windows got this only recently. Also OS X client didn't had that annoying 'unread' bug. So. I do have my suspicions that no one really cares about Linux on desktop and 99% people would agree, that even having a Linux client is a waste of time, and posts like yours are nothing but linux zealotry - "boo M$ antitrust making me use Windblows"...
    - xamolxix 11y ago
      There is no mention of linux in the post you commented on.
    - deleted 11y ago
      [deleted]
    - mrmondo 11y ago
      Pretty fud reply I'm sorry to say, did you even read what I wrote before getting on the zealot bandwagon? I didn't even mention Linux?
    - 11y ago
JustSomeNobody 11y ago
>Fun fact: I have a friend who worked for Skype in Prague. He said the codebase is a true horror, an extreme mess, and that soon it would "reach a singularity" Being a developer, I read this and think, what developer thinks any existing codebase is NOT a mess. It's the number one developer complaint ever. They (we?) all think we know a better way.
- topbanana 11y ago
  I work on two systems at the moment, and they are in very good condition
- anon4 11y ago
  As someone who has seen several LARGE commercial software projects, there is a definite gradation from "it's hard to comprehend these layers of abstraction, but after a few days I kind of understand how they interact" to // X - uncommented on 1.2.03 to fix bug // Y - commented again on 3.2.03 because it broke stuff // if (condition) { ... logic here, half of it commented out ... }
  - cakes 11y ago
    Of the same opinion, there is sort-of the architecture "mess" where it is complicated and you may just have to spend some time learning and/or see some hiccups because large projects are complicated and then there is the 15 year old code base where _everything_ feels hacked/tacked on.
- lmm 11y ago
  I've worked on plenty of good codebases. I think the key is continuous improvement. The code from 5 years ago is always going to be worse than today's code, but as long as you're able to improve code as you work on it it doesn't get too bad.
  - criddell 11y ago
    Once when I was interviewing for a job, I was given and offer and I accepted it conditionally. I asked to sit with a senior developer for 30 minutes and browse the code. Turns out it was in great shape and the person that gave me the walkthrough was one of the greatest programmers I've ever had the pleasure to work with.
davedx 11y ago
They can't even do IAP right. Yesterday I wanted to call my mum, so first I struggled to sign in since asking to reset my password they somehow cloned my account into some Microsoft/Live ID thing, and then when I bought the Skype credit they flagged it as fraud because... I have 2 Skype accounts, and refunded the money. It is so bad that I literally cannot even give them my money.
anexprogrammer 11y ago
Most things worked far, far better 10 years ago than today. Apparently this is progress. Social everything means we can't visit a website today without calls to a billion external domains. Phones are doing the same as they're mini-tablets that suck at actual phone calls. Operating systems have taken on mobile centric (and the hideous flatten everything) design that is broken paradigm for a 15" laptop or 24" desktop screen. Firefox was a stripped down, light browser so it stayed fast - now they include more useless garbage than Netscape Communicator ever did. All that crap should be in official plugins so you add pocket only if you want it etc. Nothing at all is user centric any more, it's all about how much lovely data can be sent back to hundreds of places. The web is a lot prettier these days to be fair, but I don't call that progress if it's at a cost of a 1TB page load. I could go on, but you get the idea.. :)
- hvidgaard 11y ago
  > we can't visit a website today without calls to a billion external domains NoScript really brings this into visibility. I don't mind the domain running scripts. But the 10+ other domains that needs to run a script - sigh. My wife keeps asking my why I put up with it - it's quite simple; I decide if the page I'm about to visit is worth all the extra crap running and tracking me.
  - dandelion_lover 11y ago
    NoScript does not show everything. RequestPolicy opens up a lot more.
  - stormbeta 11y ago
    Personally I prefer uMatrix - it lets you enable specific things across domains instead of a binary allow/deny, and allows global versus per-domain or per-subdomain rules; e.g. I might be fine with one site collecting metrics but not globally.
- cookiecaper 11y ago
  >Firefox was a stripped down, light browser so it stayed fast - now they include more useless garbage than Netscape Communicator ever did. Sorry, I don't think Pocket and Hello surpasses the junk bundled with Communicator, which came with a custom mail client. Mozilla's mail client is not only not installed with Firefox, but it's also pretty much dead now, in fact.
kbart 11y ago
Skype used to be great, but started to downspiral fast as soon as it was acquired by MS. Before that, Skype was running on all my devices 24/7, but then (after MS acquisition) it started taking way too much resources and crashing constantly what resulted that I barely use Skype anymore, only turn it on when I have to make/receive an international call that was planned in advance. Not to mention forced updates (that resets all user settings and restore defaults from time to time), horrible UI that reminds more of an ancient Yahoo front page than a chat app and all this surveillance mess.
- andromeduck 11y ago
  IMO Skype was pretty bad before MS but only in that the messages wouldn't always synchronize or get delivered between computers so conversations were very difficult but if the client was at least okay. When MS bought it everything went to shit. Still had the problems with messaging/sync but if you had a surface pro it'd be impossible to send files or share contacts on the preinstalled metro app which IMO is a pretty fucking basic feature. Worse yet it prevented you from being able to install the regular desktop client and the Android version couldn't start group calls so I had to use two fucking computers just to use it like before. And the stupid notifications will pull you out of a game too because for some reason they're still clickable when you're full screen.
  - blahkins 11y ago
    still doesn't synchronize notifications well..
bnastic 11y ago
From what I remember, it might have to do with the fact that they had to refactor the whole thing to not rely on P2P, which was its original model, since the rise of smartphones and unstable mobile networking? I think it now runs similarly to Hangouts - out of datacenters.
- pistle 11y ago
  Don't bring facts to the piss on Skype party... This is 100% true. I worked at a state university. If someone was running Skype, because of the algorithm for determining such things, our users all became supernodes on the Skype P2P network which pummeled the network. They eventually banned Skype on any machine connected to the network with prejudice. This impacted international research projects as Skype had been saving a ton of international comm. money to that point. And, as usual, those who have a gripe are loud. I use Skype every day and I am never able to feign like I don't get messages from people. It never drops and it hits three devices at once. My digital leash serves its masters just fine...
mtgx 11y ago
Which is ironic, because the whole point of moving Skype from the un-interceptable P2P infrastructure to a centralized/interceptable one was to "make Skype work better".
ArchlinuxMetal 11y ago
Fun fact: I have a friend who worked for Skype in Prague. He said teams in Prague have nothing to do with desktop clients.
clapinton 11y ago
This was a bit of an "existential" question for me over the past years. I've been wondering if it was just me doing something I shouldn't be doing or if Skype was really going that bad, specially on Android. "It's not possible, they have a successful product. They wouldn't fuck it up. Has to be me...". I kind of kept creating excuses for it when it wasn't working: "Skype looks pretty heavy, I don't know if I should expect it to run smoothly on my phone..." or even blame the phones themselves (which have always been on the flagship side for the time). But in this day and age, bad performance of apps are kind of "unacceptable". If it doesn't work right, something else will, and I'll have no problems abandoning the bad product. And guess what: Skype is shitty. I often get message notifications on my phone hours after they arrived on my desktop (that is, if I get a notification at all). It's slow and clunky and a pain to even start a call. I dread the thought of having to use it on my phone. I've asked to delay meetings so I could take them from my computer. Or even spend money on Google Voice and make that international call through the regular phone app. So, I abandoned it. I don't suggest Skype anymore to my contacts when I have a call. You know, "Ok, so I'll call you at 9am. Skype's good?". Not anymore. It's usually Hangouts. This is not how these things are supposed to be.
api 11y ago
They abandoned p2p, ostensibly to make mobile work better, and it's been downhill since then.
orbitingpluto 11y ago
Wholehearted agreement. The only time Skype worked for me was on a Nokia N800. It actually worked so well that it delayed my mobile phone adoption for a year. It just worked. Enter this decade where I think I paid for a subscription for almost 4 years and maybe got one or two good calls on other devices during the whole stint. Messaging systems seemed to work so much better last decade when they were still P2P. I maintained real relationships on them as opposed to no one ever being online on Skype and the shame that is Facebook.
Natsu 11y ago
> Skype worked far, far better 10 years ago than it does today. From all indications I've seen, Skype is getting dramatically worse all the time. Yeah, I suspect it was originally written by people who knew what they were doing and now it has gone through years bottom-dollar maintenance to cut engineering costs.
simonebrunozzi 11y ago
Who's "the man"?

vanderZwan 11y ago

And when someone tries to innovate in this live group chat space, they get bought out[0]. I doubt we'll see the features of Talko in Skyp any time soon, and I expect whatever creative buzz they had going over at Talko will surely be killed by the forced reintegration into the Microsoft bureaucracy. [0] http://www.talko.com/ http://www.talko.com/

Cthulhu_ 11y ago
They /let themselves be bought out/; big difference there. If their ideology was to create a proper Skype competitor, they wouldn't go for the 'quick buck' / become millionaires overnight.
- pjmlp 11y ago
  You are quite right, I don't understand the HN/Reddit mentality that only the buyer is to blame when FOSS projects get bought. After all they also took the money.
- vanderZwan 11y ago
  Fair point! However, I stand by my pessimistic view of how things will develop after the buy-out.
Grishnakh 11y ago
So all I need to do to become a millionaire is make a Skype clone and then let MS buy me out? Who wants to join me?
- benedikt 11y ago
  Let's do this

agumonkey 11y ago

The android client is also a bit random. Notifications pops when they feel like it. Some upgrades change for different kind of wrong.

StreamBright 11y ago
Best feature is when the wifi drops out it gets unresponsive and you need to kill the app, re-log and redial to get back to were you were. Even WeChat handles that gracefully on my phone.
- lpsz 11y ago
  Curious why "even" WeChat. WeChat over the years has been one of the most reliable apps I use including for video/voice chat.
  - StreamBright 11y ago
    Well you are right, should not have used even. I agree with you WeChat is the most reliable app that I know of for voice and video chat.
mschuster91 11y ago
Also it doesn't support logging in with Facebook accounts. Edit: why the downvotes? It's a feature finely supported on desktop clients, and it does not work on Android - so in order to use Android Skype, I'd have to create a "pure" Skype account (with its own password!), and re-import all my contacts. For me, that's a bug that has seen no activity for over 3 years.
simgidacav 11y ago
Usually updates fix the problem. But I loved how the last update failed with a very clear "Error $SomeNumber". I just love Microsoft's style. ...</sarcasm>
vardump 11y ago
Android Skype presence colors are messed up. I compared by running the client on OS X, Win10 and Android in the same time. OS X and Win10 clients seemed to pretty much agree on availability status and to be correct. But on Android, contacts that are yellow (away) show often as green (available). Worse, sometimes those who are present show as being offline. Yeah, pretty random!

txdv 11y ago

I hope your friends name is not friendofnakedrobot2

xiaoma 11y ago

Google talk circa 2008 was a lot nicer than Hangouts is now, too. The resource usage was lower, the UI was nicer and it was more responsive. It's really a shame they killed it.

eru 11y ago
They are trying hard now to brink Hangouts back from the brink.
- agentdrtran 11y ago
  Are they? What have the done recently that made Hangouts better?
  - toyg 11y ago
    The first step was disentangling it from G+. I hope the next step is a sane API to let third-party clients integrate with it. It does not have to be XMPP, as long as it's something clear and well-supported.
    - Gratsby 11y ago
      They treat Hangouts like Yahoo would. Great product that they completely hosed by not caring about the userbase.
    - hvidgaard 11y ago
      I wouldn't thrust Google for a second. They are not afraid to close down services with a short notice - so unless I can run my own "Hangouts" backbone it means nothing to me.
  - eru 11y ago
    Sorry, not sure how much I can say in public. (There's lots of stuff that's public, but I can't just do a knowledge dump, because it's not clearly separated in my mind.)
- 11y ago

pritambarhate 11y ago

In the past year, the Mac client has also become very fragile. If I quit the Skype App without signing out, next time login keeps failing unless I go to the library folder and delete my Skype user profile directory. Quite shameful for such a high profile software.

mrmondo 11y ago
I do have my own suspicions that a certain company deliberately degrades the quality of any software they release for platforms other than their own.
- rjsw 11y ago
  It has got worse on their own platform too.
- tychuz 11y ago
  Strange, considering that Skype on OS X / iOS was (still is?) better - ie pasting links would generate a thumbnail in messaging, Windows got this only recently. Also OS X client didn't had that annoying 'unread' bug. So. I do have my suspicions that no one really cares about Linux on desktop and 99% people would agree, that even having a Linux client is a waste of time, and posts like yours are nothing but linux zealotry - "boo M$ antitrust making me use Windblows"...
  - xamolxix 11y ago
    There is no mention of linux in the post you commented on.
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
  - mrmondo 11y ago
    Pretty fud reply I'm sorry to say, did you even read what I wrote before getting on the zealot bandwagon? I didn't even mention Linux?
  - 11y ago

JustSomeNobody 11y ago

>Fun fact: I have a friend who worked for Skype in Prague. He said the codebase is a true horror, an extreme mess, and that soon it would "reach a singularity" Being a developer, I read this and think, what developer thinks any existing codebase is NOT a mess. It's the number one developer complaint ever. They (we?) all think we know a better way.

topbanana 11y ago
I work on two systems at the moment, and they are in very good condition
anon4 11y ago
As someone who has seen several LARGE commercial software projects, there is a definite gradation from "it's hard to comprehend these layers of abstraction, but after a few days I kind of understand how they interact" to // X - uncommented on 1.2.03 to fix bug // Y - commented again on 3.2.03 because it broke stuff // if (condition) { ... logic here, half of it commented out ... }
- cakes 11y ago
  Of the same opinion, there is sort-of the architecture "mess" where it is complicated and you may just have to spend some time learning and/or see some hiccups because large projects are complicated and then there is the 15 year old code base where _everything_ feels hacked/tacked on.
lmm 11y ago
I've worked on plenty of good codebases. I think the key is continuous improvement. The code from 5 years ago is always going to be worse than today's code, but as long as you're able to improve code as you work on it it doesn't get too bad.
- criddell 11y ago
  Once when I was interviewing for a job, I was given and offer and I accepted it conditionally. I asked to sit with a senior developer for 30 minutes and browse the code. Turns out it was in great shape and the person that gave me the walkthrough was one of the greatest programmers I've ever had the pleasure to work with.

davedx 11y ago

They can't even do IAP right. Yesterday I wanted to call my mum, so first I struggled to sign in since asking to reset my password they somehow cloned my account into some Microsoft/Live ID thing, and then when I bought the Skype credit they flagged it as fraud because... I have 2 Skype accounts, and refunded the money. It is so bad that I literally cannot even give them my money.

anexprogrammer 11y ago

Most things worked far, far better 10 years ago than today. Apparently this is progress. Social everything means we can't visit a website today without calls to a billion external domains. Phones are doing the same as they're mini-tablets that suck at actual phone calls. Operating systems have taken on mobile centric (and the hideous flatten everything) design that is broken paradigm for a 15" laptop or 24" desktop screen. Firefox was a stripped down, light browser so it stayed fast - now they include more useless garbage than Netscape Communicator ever did. All that crap should be in official plugins so you add pocket only if you want it etc. Nothing at all is user centric any more, it's all about how much lovely data can be sent back to hundreds of places. The web is a lot prettier these days to be fair, but I don't call that progress if it's at a cost of a 1TB page load. I could go on, but you get the idea.. :)

hvidgaard 11y ago
> we can't visit a website today without calls to a billion external domains NoScript really brings this into visibility. I don't mind the domain running scripts. But the 10+ other domains that needs to run a script - sigh. My wife keeps asking my why I put up with it - it's quite simple; I decide if the page I'm about to visit is worth all the extra crap running and tracking me.
- dandelion_lover 11y ago
  NoScript does not show everything. RequestPolicy opens up a lot more.
- stormbeta 11y ago
  Personally I prefer uMatrix - it lets you enable specific things across domains instead of a binary allow/deny, and allows global versus per-domain or per-subdomain rules; e.g. I might be fine with one site collecting metrics but not globally.
cookiecaper 11y ago
>Firefox was a stripped down, light browser so it stayed fast - now they include more useless garbage than Netscape Communicator ever did. Sorry, I don't think Pocket and Hello surpasses the junk bundled with Communicator, which came with a custom mail client. Mozilla's mail client is not only not installed with Firefox, but it's also pretty much dead now, in fact.

kbart 11y ago

Skype used to be great, but started to downspiral fast as soon as it was acquired by MS. Before that, Skype was running on all my devices 24/7, but then (after MS acquisition) it started taking way too much resources and crashing constantly what resulted that I barely use Skype anymore, only turn it on when I have to make/receive an international call that was planned in advance. Not to mention forced updates (that resets all user settings and restore defaults from time to time), horrible UI that reminds more of an ancient Yahoo front page than a chat app and all this surveillance mess.

andromeduck 11y ago
IMO Skype was pretty bad before MS but only in that the messages wouldn't always synchronize or get delivered between computers so conversations were very difficult but if the client was at least okay. When MS bought it everything went to shit. Still had the problems with messaging/sync but if you had a surface pro it'd be impossible to send files or share contacts on the preinstalled metro app which IMO is a pretty fucking basic feature. Worse yet it prevented you from being able to install the regular desktop client and the Android version couldn't start group calls so I had to use two fucking computers just to use it like before. And the stupid notifications will pull you out of a game too because for some reason they're still clickable when you're full screen.
- blahkins 11y ago
  still doesn't synchronize notifications well..

bnastic 11y ago

From what I remember, it might have to do with the fact that they had to refactor the whole thing to not rely on P2P, which was its original model, since the rise of smartphones and unstable mobile networking? I think it now runs similarly to Hangouts - out of datacenters.

pistle 11y ago
Don't bring facts to the piss on Skype party... This is 100% true. I worked at a state university. If someone was running Skype, because of the algorithm for determining such things, our users all became supernodes on the Skype P2P network which pummeled the network. They eventually banned Skype on any machine connected to the network with prejudice. This impacted international research projects as Skype had been saving a ton of international comm. money to that point. And, as usual, those who have a gripe are loud. I use Skype every day and I am never able to feign like I don't get messages from people. It never drops and it hits three devices at once. My digital leash serves its masters just fine...

mtgx 11y ago

Which is ironic, because the whole point of moving Skype from the un-interceptable P2P infrastructure to a centralized/interceptable one was to "make Skype work better".

ArchlinuxMetal 11y ago

Fun fact: I have a friend who worked for Skype in Prague. He said teams in Prague have nothing to do with desktop clients.

clapinton 11y ago

This was a bit of an "existential" question for me over the past years. I've been wondering if it was just me doing something I shouldn't be doing or if Skype was really going that bad, specially on Android. "It's not possible, they have a successful product. They wouldn't fuck it up. Has to be me...". I kind of kept creating excuses for it when it wasn't working: "Skype looks pretty heavy, I don't know if I should expect it to run smoothly on my phone..." or even blame the phones themselves (which have always been on the flagship side for the time). But in this day and age, bad performance of apps are kind of "unacceptable". If it doesn't work right, something else will, and I'll have no problems abandoning the bad product. And guess what: Skype is shitty. I often get message notifications on my phone hours after they arrived on my desktop (that is, if I get a notification at all). It's slow and clunky and a pain to even start a call. I dread the thought of having to use it on my phone. I've asked to delay meetings so I could take them from my computer. Or even spend money on Google Voice and make that international call through the regular phone app. So, I abandoned it. I don't suggest Skype anymore to my contacts when I have a call. You know, "Ok, so I'll call you at 9am. Skype's good?". Not anymore. It's usually Hangouts. This is not how these things are supposed to be.

api 11y ago

They abandoned p2p, ostensibly to make mobile work better, and it's been downhill since then.

orbitingpluto 11y ago

Wholehearted agreement. The only time Skype worked for me was on a Nokia N800. It actually worked so well that it delayed my mobile phone adoption for a year. It just worked. Enter this decade where I think I paid for a subscription for almost 4 years and maybe got one or two good calls on other devices during the whole stint. Messaging systems seemed to work so much better last decade when they were still P2P. I maintained real relationships on them as opposed to no one ever being online on Skype and the shame that is Facebook.

Natsu 11y ago

> Skype worked far, far better 10 years ago than it does today. From all indications I've seen, Skype is getting dramatically worse all the time. Yeah, I suspect it was originally written by people who knew what they were doing and now it has gone through years bottom-dollar maintenance to cut engineering costs.

simonebrunozzi 11y ago

Who's "the man"?