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I'm using Actor these days, made by former Telegram developers. Coming along very nice in my opinion :) https://actor.im https://actor.im

edwintorok 11y ago
Would be nice to have a desktop client and pidgin integration, both of which Telegram has (although the latter is an unofficial plugin).
- St_Alfonzo 11y ago
  I dont know, why their homepage does not advertise the desktop app. But if you check out their blog, you'll find this page: https://actorapp.ghost.io/desktop-apps-updated/ https://actorapp.ghost.io/desktop-apps-updated/
- ex3ndr 11y ago
  CEO of Actor Here! Yes, we have desktop applications: https://actorapp.ghost.io/desktop-apps-updated/ https://actorapp.ghost.io/desktop-apps-updated/ Sorry, we are not advertising it on our landing page, we are a small team and not paying enough attention to marketing yet.
  - dingo_bat 11y ago
    Just a heads-up, the 'OPEN SOURCE' button in the right-top of https://actorapp.github.io/business/ https://actorapp.github.io/business/ returns a 404.
reiblan 11y ago
No privacy policy seems available though.
- ex3ndr 11y ago
  I hope when our project start it's next stage we will clean up all such stuff. Clean and easy privacy policy is one of our highest priority tasks.
  - Mark222 11y ago
    Would you mind adding a FAQ somewhere as well? I was looking where your funding comes from but couldn't find anything (I'm going to guess reading the blog you want to sell an enterprise version?).
    - ex3ndr 11y ago
      Yes, we need spend a lot of time to clarify everything. We are selling services around actor and enterprise solutions, yes.
darklajid 11y ago
The page doesn't list any "Why would you want to use this over X" comparison. Why did you pick it over Telegram (or WhatsApp or whatever)? What sets it apart, if anything? I'm not trying to make that thing look bad here. I'm interested, still haven't found the ~final~ IM solution (using Telegram for now though).
- ex3ndr 11y ago
  Can you say what you need for "final" solution?
  - darklajid 11y ago
    In an ideal world: - open source, client and server - federation (both for the ability to split the net/have a private/enterprise solution and for redundancy) - multi device support (tablet, phone, desktop etc) - clients for all major platforms (that is, not just mobile platforms) - strong cryptography - no phone number required (can be installed on your desktop/tablet only, doesn't _need_ a phone number but might offer to search for contacts that gave one instead) Note that Telegram fails quite some of those, but as far as I'm aware it's the closest I can get at this point.
    - y0ghur7_xxx 11y ago
      xmpp is the solution. use your own server, or use one of the many public ones. has clients for all major platforms, crypto is the best around (otr, gpg), does not require phone numbers or sim cards, is open and a public standard.
      - ex3ndr 11y ago
        XMPP have a lot of problems: - Every server support different extensions. Extreemly fragmented. - No reliable file transfer - No reliable cross device sync - Almost all clients are junky - OTR and GPG are not the best crypto, but more trusted one as it is old and simple. Axolotl Ratchet beat them in every part. This problems lead us to make messaging (actor.im) from scratch.

edwintorok 11y ago

Would be nice to have a desktop client and pidgin integration, both of which Telegram has (although the latter is an unofficial plugin).

St_Alfonzo 11y ago
I dont know, why their homepage does not advertise the desktop app. But if you check out their blog, you'll find this page: https://actorapp.ghost.io/desktop-apps-updated/ https://actorapp.ghost.io/desktop-apps-updated/
ex3ndr 11y ago
CEO of Actor Here! Yes, we have desktop applications: https://actorapp.ghost.io/desktop-apps-updated/ https://actorapp.ghost.io/desktop-apps-updated/ Sorry, we are not advertising it on our landing page, we are a small team and not paying enough attention to marketing yet.
- dingo_bat 11y ago
  Just a heads-up, the 'OPEN SOURCE' button in the right-top of https://actorapp.github.io/business/ https://actorapp.github.io/business/ returns a 404.

reiblan 11y ago

No privacy policy seems available though.

ex3ndr 11y ago
I hope when our project start it's next stage we will clean up all such stuff. Clean and easy privacy policy is one of our highest priority tasks.
- Mark222 11y ago
  Would you mind adding a FAQ somewhere as well? I was looking where your funding comes from but couldn't find anything (I'm going to guess reading the blog you want to sell an enterprise version?).
  - ex3ndr 11y ago
    Yes, we need spend a lot of time to clarify everything. We are selling services around actor and enterprise solutions, yes.

darklajid 11y ago

The page doesn't list any "Why would you want to use this over X" comparison. Why did you pick it over Telegram (or WhatsApp or whatever)? What sets it apart, if anything? I'm not trying to make that thing look bad here. I'm interested, still haven't found the ~final~ IM solution (using Telegram for now though).

ex3ndr 11y ago
Can you say what you need for "final" solution?
- darklajid 11y ago
  In an ideal world: - open source, client and server - federation (both for the ability to split the net/have a private/enterprise solution and for redundancy) - multi device support (tablet, phone, desktop etc) - clients for all major platforms (that is, not just mobile platforms) - strong cryptography - no phone number required (can be installed on your desktop/tablet only, doesn't _need_ a phone number but might offer to search for contacts that gave one instead) Note that Telegram fails quite some of those, but as far as I'm aware it's the closest I can get at this point.
  - y0ghur7_xxx 11y ago
    xmpp is the solution. use your own server, or use one of the many public ones. has clients for all major platforms, crypto is the best around (otr, gpg), does not require phone numbers or sim cards, is open and a public standard.
    - ex3ndr 11y ago
      XMPP have a lot of problems: - Every server support different extensions. Extreemly fragmented. - No reliable file transfer - No reliable cross device sync - Almost all clients are junky - OTR and GPG are not the best crypto, but more trusted one as it is old and simple. Axolotl Ratchet beat them in every part. This problems lead us to make messaging (actor.im) from scratch.