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Which is what makes me wonder why the hell they're trying to force Apple to write software to break into the phone. They already know the guy's contacts.

by beedogs 11y ago

adventured 11y ago
They're leaning on an ideal case example to try to set precedent. Nothing would work better than one of the extremely rare terrorist cases. They don't have many such cases to leverage, so they're trying to abuse the American public's fear of terrorism with what they have. It's equivalent to the 'think of the children' approach in politics. If you want to try to do something wildly unconstitutional, play to terrorism fears. If Apple refuses to cooperate, then they try to make it look like Apple is making the American public less safe and bolstering terrorists. All of the terrorism laws they've passed for example, have ended up being used for everything else. It has happened that way by design, they desperately want more power and reach. The FBI is attempting to do in their own area what the NSA did with mass-surveillance. They saw how successful the NSA was and how little push-back there ended up being to the vast privacy invasion. If they're given a foot in the door on this specific example, they'll use it for almost everything else imaginable.
- Gibbon1 11y ago
  > If they're given a foot in the door on this specific example, they'll use it for almost everything else imaginable. Yeah like hand over the keys to foreign governments or corporations that they wish to curry favor with the better to land a sweet sweet gig once they leave government service.
- Terr_ 11y ago
  > It's equivalent to the 'think of the children' approach in politics. When waterboarding was in the news, one near-wishful scenario was "If it was the only way to find the nuclear bomb before it exploded in a major city." Of course, extreme and utterly-unprecedented situations are exactly what we already have presidential-pardons for, and it was really just bullshit to try to defend humdrum day-to-day abuse of prisoners/kidnap-ees.
  - adventured 11y ago
    The emergencies-at-all-times doctrine of political manipulation. Equivalent to designing your entire life and all choices around the notion that your house is going to be on fire and burning down every day.
- dclowd9901 11y ago
  Exactly. Before 9/11, I didn't have to strip down before I got on a goddamn plane.

Which is what makes me wonder why the hell they're trying to force Apple to write software to break into the phone. They already know the guy's contacts.

by beedogs 11y ago

Which is what makes me wonder why the hell they're trying to force Apple to write software to break into the phone. They already know the guy's contacts.

adventured 11y ago

They're leaning on an ideal case example to try to set precedent. Nothing would work better than one of the extremely rare terrorist cases. They don't have many such cases to leverage, so they're trying to abuse the American public's fear of terrorism with what they have. It's equivalent to the 'think of the children' approach in politics. If you want to try to do something wildly unconstitutional, play to terrorism fears. If Apple refuses to cooperate, then they try to make it look like Apple is making the American public less safe and bolstering terrorists. All of the terrorism laws they've passed for example, have ended up being used for everything else. It has happened that way by design, they desperately want more power and reach. The FBI is attempting to do in their own area what the NSA did with mass-surveillance. They saw how successful the NSA was and how little push-back there ended up being to the vast privacy invasion. If they're given a foot in the door on this specific example, they'll use it for almost everything else imaginable.

Gibbon1 11y ago
> If they're given a foot in the door on this specific example, they'll use it for almost everything else imaginable. Yeah like hand over the keys to foreign governments or corporations that they wish to curry favor with the better to land a sweet sweet gig once they leave government service.
Terr_ 11y ago
> It's equivalent to the 'think of the children' approach in politics. When waterboarding was in the news, one near-wishful scenario was "If it was the only way to find the nuclear bomb before it exploded in a major city." Of course, extreme and utterly-unprecedented situations are exactly what we already have presidential-pardons for, and it was really just bullshit to try to defend humdrum day-to-day abuse of prisoners/kidnap-ees.
- adventured 11y ago
  The emergencies-at-all-times doctrine of political manipulation. Equivalent to designing your entire life and all choices around the notion that your house is going to be on fire and burning down every day.
dclowd9901 11y ago
Exactly. Before 9/11, I didn't have to strip down before I got on a goddamn plane.