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> The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with > what I would consider the ideal creative process

> The mental image of a huge ram sucking IDE with code completion for frameworks is simply incompatible with > what I would consider the ideal creative process for me as programmer. Java has long been my primary professional language, and over the past few years Go has taken on a strong secondary niche at my job. I'm big fan of both, and tend to play Switzerland in arguments between them. That being said, the best Go IDE out there right now is the official Go plugin for IntelliJ... which again, happens to be the best Java IDE out there. If you are doing modern software development in ANY language, then you are probably traveling one of three paths: (1) Using an IDE based on JetBrains or Eclipse. (2) Using a variant of Microsoft Visual Studio, which is about an order of magnitude more bloated than #1. (3) Using a plain text editor, which for a typesafe language is a bit daft.

iainmerrick 11y ago
(4) Xcode? There are lots of iOS programmers out there.
- shopkins 11y ago
  Still in camp #1 (AppCode). As someone who also does development outside of iOS, you couldn't pay me enough to solely use Xcode.
logicchains 11y ago
What does the Go plugin for IntelliJ offer that Go plugins for Emacs don't? My setup right now has live error checking (highlights errors as they occur), gofmt on save, safe refactoring via gorename, jump-to-definition, proper autocomplete, and Go Oracle integration, for e.g. finding all callers of a method. Due to being Emacs it also has much better support for Vim keybindings via Evil mode.
- dlsniper 11y ago
  Debugging, cross-platform, integration with a lot of other languages, and databases, local history, out of the box configuration for everything you've just mention (including the Vim key working mode, via a plugin) so that people don't spend time in doing all of that and so much more :)
  - logicchains 11y ago
    In what way is IntelliJ more cross-platform than Emacs?
    - twistedpair 11y ago
      It's written in Java ;)
- geoka9 11y ago
  Are using go-projectile for all of that? If not, what did you use for gorename integration?
  - logicchains 11y ago
    Just http://melpa.org/#/go-rename http://melpa.org/#/go-rename.
mwcampbell 11y ago
Can you explain why using a plain text editor for a typesafe language is a bit daft?
- paulddraper 11y ago
  That may be stated too strongly, but the argument is in a statically typed language you go to all the trouble to provide the compiler with sufficient amounts of information, but then don't leverage that in your editor. E.g. if you call a statically resolved function, your IDE should be able to take you to the function's definition.
  - krakensden 11y ago
    Go was designed to make tooling easy, and that tooling has been written: https://github.com/nsf/gocode/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/nsf/gocode/blob/master/README.md And it's pretty trivial to get Vim super integrated with go: https://github.com/fatih/vim-go/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/fatih/vim-go/blob/master/README.md
    - paulddraper 11y ago
      And you consider that an IDE, right? An Integrated Development Environment?
      - krakensden 11y ago
        No, and nobody else does. There's a lot more baggage and feature check-boxes tied up in that name.
- alkonaut 11y ago
  Because if it's a text editor it doesn't have all the info and functionality you have available in an IDE. Run tests for your current function, navigate to definition, manage large projects, configure builds, see test coverage, step with interactive debuggers, REPLs, vcs integration, symbolic refactorings, autocomplete, etc. Most of this can be added to emacs too. Then it's an IDE.
Manishearth 11y ago
> (3) Using a plain text editor, which for a typesafe language is a bit daft. What's wrong with using Vim, Emacs, or Sublime? There are plugins out there which get you a lot of the IDE magic (including jump to definition, autocomplete, autofmt, and there probably is something for inline errors)
voidlogic 11y ago
(4) Use LiteIDE, simple IDE written for Go.
- fithisux 11y ago
  The best ide for golang. It is not Netbeans or Eclipse but it is lightweight, enough features and gets the job done.
charlieflowers 11y ago
A huge percentage of those doing #2 are using Resharper (a JetBrains plugin for Visual Studio).
kmch 11y ago
VS is much faster than the JetBrains IDE without any plug ins. Adding JetBrains' products makes it slow.
ilek 11y ago
Visual Studio is more bloated than IntelliJ or Eclipse? Absolutely not. When I had the displeasure of using IntelliJ it would use 1.2GB RAM for a fucking 5 file project. Debugging would then use another 1GB RAM. Visual Studio uses 1GB RAM with a 150 project solution open, and it opens said solution about as fast as IntelliJ opened that tiny project. Adding something like Resharper (by your beloved Jetbrains) will make Visual Studio bloated and slow.
- mlvljr 11y ago
  Upvoting for bravery!

iainmerrick 11y ago

(4) Xcode? There are lots of iOS programmers out there.

shopkins 11y ago
Still in camp #1 (AppCode). As someone who also does development outside of iOS, you couldn't pay me enough to solely use Xcode.

logicchains 11y ago

What does the Go plugin for IntelliJ offer that Go plugins for Emacs don't? My setup right now has live error checking (highlights errors as they occur), gofmt on save, safe refactoring via gorename, jump-to-definition, proper autocomplete, and Go Oracle integration, for e.g. finding all callers of a method. Due to being Emacs it also has much better support for Vim keybindings via Evil mode.

dlsniper 11y ago
Debugging, cross-platform, integration with a lot of other languages, and databases, local history, out of the box configuration for everything you've just mention (including the Vim key working mode, via a plugin) so that people don't spend time in doing all of that and so much more :)
- logicchains 11y ago
  In what way is IntelliJ more cross-platform than Emacs?
  - twistedpair 11y ago
    It's written in Java ;)
geoka9 11y ago
Are using go-projectile for all of that? If not, what did you use for gorename integration?
- logicchains 11y ago
  Just http://melpa.org/#/go-rename http://melpa.org/#/go-rename.

mwcampbell 11y ago

Can you explain why using a plain text editor for a typesafe language is a bit daft?

paulddraper 11y ago
That may be stated too strongly, but the argument is in a statically typed language you go to all the trouble to provide the compiler with sufficient amounts of information, but then don't leverage that in your editor. E.g. if you call a statically resolved function, your IDE should be able to take you to the function's definition.
- krakensden 11y ago
  Go was designed to make tooling easy, and that tooling has been written: https://github.com/nsf/gocode/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/nsf/gocode/blob/master/README.md And it's pretty trivial to get Vim super integrated with go: https://github.com/fatih/vim-go/blob/master/README.md https://github.com/fatih/vim-go/blob/master/README.md
  - paulddraper 11y ago
    And you consider that an IDE, right? An Integrated Development Environment?
    - krakensden 11y ago
      No, and nobody else does. There's a lot more baggage and feature check-boxes tied up in that name.
alkonaut 11y ago
Because if it's a text editor it doesn't have all the info and functionality you have available in an IDE. Run tests for your current function, navigate to definition, manage large projects, configure builds, see test coverage, step with interactive debuggers, REPLs, vcs integration, symbolic refactorings, autocomplete, etc. Most of this can be added to emacs too. Then it's an IDE.

Manishearth 11y ago

> (3) Using a plain text editor, which for a typesafe language is a bit daft. What's wrong with using Vim, Emacs, or Sublime? There are plugins out there which get you a lot of the IDE magic (including jump to definition, autocomplete, autofmt, and there probably is something for inline errors)

voidlogic 11y ago

(4) Use LiteIDE, simple IDE written for Go.

fithisux 11y ago
The best ide for golang. It is not Netbeans or Eclipse but it is lightweight, enough features and gets the job done.

charlieflowers 11y ago

A huge percentage of those doing #2 are using Resharper (a JetBrains plugin for Visual Studio).

kmch 11y ago

VS is much faster than the JetBrains IDE without any plug ins. Adding JetBrains' products makes it slow.

ilek 11y ago

Visual Studio is more bloated than IntelliJ or Eclipse? Absolutely not. When I had the displeasure of using IntelliJ it would use 1.2GB RAM for a fucking 5 file project. Debugging would then use another 1GB RAM. Visual Studio uses 1GB RAM with a 150 project solution open, and it opens said solution about as fast as IntelliJ opened that tiny project. Adding something like Resharper (by your beloved Jetbrains) will make Visual Studio bloated and slow.

mlvljr 11y ago
Upvoting for bravery!