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Ask HN: Why are comment trees not collapsible yet?

59 points by joslin01 11y ago

fortyseven 11y ago
While reading this on my tablet, using Yarn, I collapsed a bunch of these comment threads. It's useful. Implement it.
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minionslave 11y ago
My guess is that they don't want it to be like reddit. Same reason why there are no comment notifications. When you have a new comment notification, you are more likely to respond. People are more confrontational on reddit because of this reason. Whereas on HN, you tend to write a thoughtful answer and leave it at that. Threads are shorter on average, so the conversation is less likely to get out of topic. Collapsed comments are usually ignored, because people are too lazy to dig that deep, that means some really good conversation might get buried. I kinda like HN comments style better, I hope they keep it like that.
- martinni 11y ago
  I would also like this, sometimes you don't care about a specific thread and scrolling pass it takes 3-4 screen. Very annoying.
  - thatcat 11y ago
    an alternate feature to collapsing threads would be a button that pops up when the next comment on the same level is off the page, it might make subthreads easier to follow too. for ex. user x hours ago | next
- wodenokoto 11y ago
  I think what happens on the larger posts, is that the direction of the top comment steals way too much focus from the topic of the second top comment.
  - toufka 11y ago
    Yep. It's just too easy to hijack a post on accident. One solid and accurate comment that is only tangentially related to the post can turn the entire comment section away from the topic at hand. Even if you want to say something about the topic at hand, without collapsible comments (especially on mobile), it becomes difficult to figure out how to insert back into the original discussion.
- chris11 11y ago
  That my biggest complaint about HN though. I think conversations would be a little bit easier if we had comment notifications.
  - michaelbuckbee 11y ago
    You could try http://www.hnreplies.com/ http://www.hnreplies.com/ - it uses the API to check.
  - Tomte 11y ago
    My biggest wish would be a visual indication which comments I haven't seen, yet.
    - squeaky-clean 11y ago
      I use Hacker News Enhancement Suite for this. On the front page it shows total number of comments, and new comments since you last viewed a submission. Comment trees with new replies are all highlighted with a dark orange, while the new replies themselves are highlighted with a bright orange. It also adds collapsible comment trees, inline commenting and other features I'm probably not even aware of. [0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhancement-s/bappiabcodbpphnojdiaddhnilfnjmpm?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhanc...
- krapp 11y ago
  Actually, dang has mentioned that collapsible comments are on the way (eventually), so at least in that case the staff doesn't appear to believe it would have too negative an effect on the community. And if it winds up being implemented in javascript, most HN users probably won't see a difference to begin with, because they'll refuse to turn it on, and post a thousand threads ranting about it. >Collapsed comments are usually ignored, because people are too lazy to dig that deep, that means some really good conversation might get buried. I kind of see this as a feature. The deeper into a subtree you go, the more tangential the conversation becomes, and the less likely it is that it will be relevant or interesting to the community at large. Willingness to follow a comment tree shows intellectual curiosity and investment in the conversation. With a completely open tree, like Hacker News has now, most comments are noise to most people.
  - NetStrikeForce 11y ago
    I think Slash supported all that already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_(CMS) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_(CMS) My point being, HN tried (and IMHO succeeded at it) to be something different and these little things might have helped to become what it is. If we keep moving to support all of Slash's features, HN might be doomed to become Slashdot.
    - krapp 11y ago
      Are we really "moving to support all of Slash's features" with folding comments? It's hardly a radical feature - most comment systems support it in some form, and many users are already running plugins for it on HN. I don't see anyone arguing that the Hacker News Enhancement Suite is threatening to doom us all. Vouching up dead comments was potentially a much more volatile change but it seems to have worked out for the positive. I also remember people complaining that Show HN was killing the site literally on the day it started, yet it seems to have become an accepted part of the culture. What makes Hacker News unique is its connection to YCombinator and Paul Graham. Without that, it's little more than a poorly designed Reddit clone.
douglance 11y ago
If you're on Chrome, you can use the HackerNews enhancement suite: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhancement-s/bappiabcodbpphnojdiaddhnilfnjmpm?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhanc...
- milkmiruku 11y ago
  Also available is https://github.com/andrewheins/HN-Comment-Hider https://github.com/andrewheins/HN-Comment-Hider (Chrome extension or Greasemonkey script)
Casseres 11y ago
I would like the ability to collapse comment trees at my own discretion (not have it already auto-collapsed based on votes like others suggest or as seen on Reddit). If the top comment is about a sub-topic that I'm not interested in, and there are 100 nested comments, it's a pain to scroll through them on mobile and not accidentally scroll past the next parent comment.
- thesoonerdev 11y ago
  The existing HackerNewsCollapse extension mentioned in the other comment already does this. I built a Chrome extension which extends this further by also trying to summarize the comment thread based on word frequency of entire subtree (with mixed results) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hngist/jigimhmnilghciamfcdlogbaaokpakim?hl=en-US https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hngist/jigimhmnilg... It also tries to come up with a summary sentence, but I need to do better sentence splitting. I don't think these extensions work on Google Chrome for mobile though..
- frankacter 11y ago
  Are you on FireFox? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hn-utility-suite https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hn-utility-su...
- S4M 11y ago
  It's for this exact same reason I installed the Firefox plugin people mentioned in other comments.
lobster_johnson 11y ago
I'm using this extension (Safari and Chrome) to get this and more: http://hckrnews.com/about.html#extensions http://hckrnews.com/about.html#extensions.
- hga 11y ago
  As do it, and I'll add that it has a very nice feature of marking new comments after a page refresh with a narrow vertical orange bar.
justhw 11y ago
We've asked the HN folks for it but they may not see it as a priority for now. However if you use chrome there's a simple extension that does only that. Take a look next to the usernames on this pic. http://i.imgur.com/73rf3cj.png http://i.imgur.com/73rf3cj.png https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-collapsible-c/hockhafcdegocajmjhafgjncjpodihkd https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-collap...
- joegreen 11y ago
  And there's also a browser-agnostic bookmarklet https://alexander.kirk.at/2010/02/16/collapsible-threads-for-hacker-news/ https://alexander.kirk.at/2010/02/16/collapsible-threads-for...
- frankacter 11y ago
  There is also one for FireFox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hn-utility-suite https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hn-utility-su...
  - thenomad 11y ago
    FANTASTIC. Thank you. This will significantly improve my ability to get useful info out of HN. The "single mega-thread" problem really cripples some comment sections.
cwkoss 11y ago
I would use this so much. Alternatively 'scroll to next top level comment' and 'scroll to next same-level comment' buttons would be similarly useful.
pdkl95 11y ago
I wrote a userscript a while ago that does this: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/12493-hacker-news-folding-subtrees https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/12493-hacker-news-folding-...
yasky 11y ago
The comment page is basically broken without this feature. I rarely get to the even the 3rd comment when the first comment has many responses. Please allow collapsable comment trees.
brandonmenc 11y ago
Please don't change a thing. There's a reason why I had better conversations on BBSes in the 90s than I typically do online these days - the tech forcing you to slow down and be (somewhat) thoughtful.
wingerlang 11y ago
I've used a chrome extension for so long that I was confused that one time when it didn't apply. It really makes it easier to read the comments when you can collapse a tree so that you can see the 'next' reply and still keep the parent in the view.
shortlived 11y ago
Dear HN admins: Any chance of changing the table background color from #f6f6ef to something that has sharper contrast with the white page background? I look at comment distance with this border to find new top level comments, but it's hard when one is white and one is light grey.

59 points by joslin01 11y ago

While reading this on my tablet, using Yarn, I collapsed a bunch of these comment threads. It's useful. Implement it.

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minionslave 11y ago

My guess is that they don't want it to be like reddit. Same reason why there are no comment notifications. When you have a new comment notification, you are more likely to respond. People are more confrontational on reddit because of this reason. Whereas on HN, you tend to write a thoughtful answer and leave it at that. Threads are shorter on average, so the conversation is less likely to get out of topic. Collapsed comments are usually ignored, because people are too lazy to dig that deep, that means some really good conversation might get buried. I kinda like HN comments style better, I hope they keep it like that.

martinni 11y ago
I would also like this, sometimes you don't care about a specific thread and scrolling pass it takes 3-4 screen. Very annoying.
- thatcat 11y ago
  an alternate feature to collapsing threads would be a button that pops up when the next comment on the same level is off the page, it might make subthreads easier to follow too. for ex. user x hours ago | next
wodenokoto 11y ago
I think what happens on the larger posts, is that the direction of the top comment steals way too much focus from the topic of the second top comment.
- toufka 11y ago
  Yep. It's just too easy to hijack a post on accident. One solid and accurate comment that is only tangentially related to the post can turn the entire comment section away from the topic at hand. Even if you want to say something about the topic at hand, without collapsible comments (especially on mobile), it becomes difficult to figure out how to insert back into the original discussion.
chris11 11y ago
That my biggest complaint about HN though. I think conversations would be a little bit easier if we had comment notifications.
- michaelbuckbee 11y ago
  You could try http://www.hnreplies.com/ http://www.hnreplies.com/ - it uses the API to check.
- Tomte 11y ago
  My biggest wish would be a visual indication which comments I haven't seen, yet.
  - squeaky-clean 11y ago
    I use Hacker News Enhancement Suite for this. On the front page it shows total number of comments, and new comments since you last viewed a submission. Comment trees with new replies are all highlighted with a dark orange, while the new replies themselves are highlighted with a bright orange. It also adds collapsible comment trees, inline commenting and other features I'm probably not even aware of. [0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhancement-s/bappiabcodbpphnojdiaddhnilfnjmpm?utm_source=chrome-app-launcher-info-dialog https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhanc...
krapp 11y ago
Actually, dang has mentioned that collapsible comments are on the way (eventually), so at least in that case the staff doesn't appear to believe it would have too negative an effect on the community. And if it winds up being implemented in javascript, most HN users probably won't see a difference to begin with, because they'll refuse to turn it on, and post a thousand threads ranting about it. >Collapsed comments are usually ignored, because people are too lazy to dig that deep, that means some really good conversation might get buried. I kind of see this as a feature. The deeper into a subtree you go, the more tangential the conversation becomes, and the less likely it is that it will be relevant or interesting to the community at large. Willingness to follow a comment tree shows intellectual curiosity and investment in the conversation. With a completely open tree, like Hacker News has now, most comments are noise to most people.
- NetStrikeForce 11y ago
  I think Slash supported all that already: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_(CMS) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash_(CMS) My point being, HN tried (and IMHO succeeded at it) to be something different and these little things might have helped to become what it is. If we keep moving to support all of Slash's features, HN might be doomed to become Slashdot.
  - krapp 11y ago
    Are we really "moving to support all of Slash's features" with folding comments? It's hardly a radical feature - most comment systems support it in some form, and many users are already running plugins for it on HN. I don't see anyone arguing that the Hacker News Enhancement Suite is threatening to doom us all. Vouching up dead comments was potentially a much more volatile change but it seems to have worked out for the positive. I also remember people complaining that Show HN was killing the site literally on the day it started, yet it seems to have become an accepted part of the culture. What makes Hacker News unique is its connection to YCombinator and Paul Graham. Without that, it's little more than a poorly designed Reddit clone.

douglance 11y ago

If you're on Chrome, you can use the HackerNews enhancement suite: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhancement-s/bappiabcodbpphnojdiaddhnilfnjmpm?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-enhanc...

milkmiruku 11y ago
Also available is https://github.com/andrewheins/HN-Comment-Hider https://github.com/andrewheins/HN-Comment-Hider (Chrome extension or Greasemonkey script)

Casseres 11y ago

I would like the ability to collapse comment trees at my own discretion (not have it already auto-collapsed based on votes like others suggest or as seen on Reddit). If the top comment is about a sub-topic that I'm not interested in, and there are 100 nested comments, it's a pain to scroll through them on mobile and not accidentally scroll past the next parent comment.

thesoonerdev 11y ago
The existing HackerNewsCollapse extension mentioned in the other comment already does this. I built a Chrome extension which extends this further by also trying to summarize the comment thread based on word frequency of entire subtree (with mixed results) https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hngist/jigimhmnilghciamfcdlogbaaokpakim?hl=en-US https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hngist/jigimhmnilg... It also tries to come up with a summary sentence, but I need to do better sentence splitting. I don't think these extensions work on Google Chrome for mobile though..
frankacter 11y ago
Are you on FireFox? https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hn-utility-suite https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hn-utility-su...
S4M 11y ago
It's for this exact same reason I installed the Firefox plugin people mentioned in other comments.

lobster_johnson 11y ago

I'm using this extension (Safari and Chrome) to get this and more: http://hckrnews.com/about.html#extensions http://hckrnews.com/about.html#extensions.

hga 11y ago
As do it, and I'll add that it has a very nice feature of marking new comments after a page refresh with a narrow vertical orange bar.

justhw 11y ago

We've asked the HN folks for it but they may not see it as a priority for now. However if you use chrome there's a simple extension that does only that. Take a look next to the usernames on this pic. http://i.imgur.com/73rf3cj.png http://i.imgur.com/73rf3cj.png https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-collapsible-c/hockhafcdegocajmjhafgjncjpodihkd https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/hacker-news-collap...

joegreen 11y ago
And there's also a browser-agnostic bookmarklet https://alexander.kirk.at/2010/02/16/collapsible-threads-for-hacker-news/ https://alexander.kirk.at/2010/02/16/collapsible-threads-for...
frankacter 11y ago
There is also one for FireFox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hn-utility-suite https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/hn-utility-su...
- thenomad 11y ago
  FANTASTIC. Thank you. This will significantly improve my ability to get useful info out of HN. The "single mega-thread" problem really cripples some comment sections.

cwkoss 11y ago

I would use this so much. Alternatively 'scroll to next top level comment' and 'scroll to next same-level comment' buttons would be similarly useful.

pdkl95 11y ago

I wrote a userscript a while ago that does this: https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/12493-hacker-news-folding-subtrees https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/12493-hacker-news-folding-...

yasky 11y ago

The comment page is basically broken without this feature. I rarely get to the even the 3rd comment when the first comment has many responses. Please allow collapsable comment trees.

brandonmenc 11y ago

Please don't change a thing. There's a reason why I had better conversations on BBSes in the 90s than I typically do online these days - the tech forcing you to slow down and be (somewhat) thoughtful.

wingerlang 11y ago

I've used a chrome extension for so long that I was confused that one time when it didn't apply. It really makes it easier to read the comments when you can collapse a tree so that you can see the 'next' reply and still keep the parent in the view.

shortlived 11y ago

Dear HN admins: Any chance of changing the table background color from #f6f6ef to something that has sharper contrast with the white page background? I look at comment distance with this border to find new top level comments, but it's hard when one is white and one is light grey.