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> The UI could be improved, maybe, but there's a lot to be said for knowing that your editor will still exist next year. I'm frankly not confident in ST3, but I

> The UI could be improved, maybe, but there's a lot to be said for knowing that your editor will still exist next year. I'm frankly not confident in ST3, but I'm 100% certain that Emacs will be there. This is misleading. In the era of JetBrains and its perpetual licensing and Steam and whatnot, it's worth pointing out that ST3 is a binary that you download and have complete access to, so of course it will be there next year. You're probably getting at the fact that development may stop on it next year, and that's true, but the product is still pretty polished and useful now. I also don't have your confidence that Emacs will always be there. I don't have statistics - but have contributions been increasing or decreasing in the last decade? In any case, I hope that Emacs fades away: text editing is great, but I think there's still plenty of room to advance our craft. Things like Lamdu and Eve (nee Light Table) are interesting explorations.

benaiah 11y ago
Emacs is actually having a bit of a renaissance - ever since package.el came out and became widely adopted, Emacs adoption seems to have increased significantly, and Emacs development is quite active these days.
- gkya 11y ago
  And 25 is near and with xwidget support, i.e. embedding things like a Webkit instance in a buffer. I guess I will be able to "exec emacs --debug-init" in my .xsession soon.
  - rekado 11y ago
    There is EXWM, an X window manager for Emacs: https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm Here are some screenshots: https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm/wiki/Screenshots https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm/wiki/Screenshots
  - snaky 11y ago
    Actually you can - http://www.howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/new-window-manager.html http://www.howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/new-window-manager.... All you need to do is to set up a couple of hotkeys for things that Emacs cannot do (yet), like (start-process "" nil "xdg-open" "http://some.flashy.javascript.website" http://some.flashy.javascript.website")
  - gpderetta 11y ago
    I'm eagerly waiting for the day I can use emacs as my window manager.
    - gkya 11y ago
      You're waiting for a day in the past: See EXWM, links in a sibling comment. With it, you can use emacs as your window manager already.
      - gpderetta 11y ago
        That would be awesome! Is it actually stable and/or usable?
        gkya 11y ago
        I tried it very early and it was unstable, but I'm following its development, and it seems that it'll be stable shortly. I'm using ratpoison nowadays, though I'll switch to it when it's stable enough and emacs gets multithreading.
copperx 11y ago
> it's worth pointing out that ST3 is a binary that you download and have complete access to, so of course it will be there next year This is not "being there." Popular architectures change, as do operating systems. Unless you intend to freeze your current computing environment for posterity, a working executable means nothing.

benaiah 11y ago

Emacs is actually having a bit of a renaissance - ever since package.el came out and became widely adopted, Emacs adoption seems to have increased significantly, and Emacs development is quite active these days.

gkya 11y ago
And 25 is near and with xwidget support, i.e. embedding things like a Webkit instance in a buffer. I guess I will be able to "exec emacs --debug-init" in my .xsession soon.
- rekado 11y ago
  There is EXWM, an X window manager for Emacs: https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm Here are some screenshots: https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm/wiki/Screenshots https://github.com/ch11ng/exwm/wiki/Screenshots
- snaky 11y ago
  Actually you can - http://www.howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/new-window-manager.html http://www.howardism.org/Technical/Emacs/new-window-manager.... All you need to do is to set up a couple of hotkeys for things that Emacs cannot do (yet), like (start-process "" nil "xdg-open" "http://some.flashy.javascript.website" http://some.flashy.javascript.website")
- gpderetta 11y ago
  I'm eagerly waiting for the day I can use emacs as my window manager.
  - gkya 11y ago
    You're waiting for a day in the past: See EXWM, links in a sibling comment. With it, you can use emacs as your window manager already.
    - gpderetta 11y ago
      That would be awesome! Is it actually stable and/or usable?
      - gkya 11y ago
        I tried it very early and it was unstable, but I'm following its development, and it seems that it'll be stable shortly. I'm using ratpoison nowadays, though I'll switch to it when it's stable enough and emacs gets multithreading.

copperx 11y ago

> it's worth pointing out that ST3 is a binary that you download and have complete access to, so of course it will be there next year This is not "being there." Popular architectures change, as do operating systems. Unless you intend to freeze your current computing environment for posterity, a working executable means nothing.