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That blog post is one of the best advertisements I've ever seen for a tech company. If I weren't happy where I am, I'd apply for a position immediately. I get

That blog post is one of the best advertisements I've ever seen for a tech company. If I weren't happy where I am, I'd apply for a position immediately. I get that moving fast and breaking things works for some products, but I wish more companies had the same attitude as you.

tyre 11y ago
Glad you liked it! I'm now building software for local government and we've naturally taken that ethos to our new company. If you are ever looking for another opportunity, check us out http://seneca.systems http://seneca.systems
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  You had me at "...building amazing technology to unf* government."
- karmajunkie 11y ago
  I'm not looking at the moment, and not in SF, but having a minimum vacation policy and working on software for governments is impressive to me. Kudos.
- free2rhyme214 11y ago
  CRM for government reminds me of the Ted Talk where a guy said the government should use source control. We're not there yet but it's a step in the right direction. You guys should seriously consider using resellers and distributors btw. Gov't purchasing agents always request three competitive bids.
  - ncd 11y ago
    That's true if you try to sell into the municipalities via the RFP process. However, we sell directly to the departments who will be using our software. We've met with great success doing it this way. In fact, we managed to close a department in Miami in only six days--that's basically unheard of in local government software sales.
    - free2rhyme214 11y ago
      You're right that is fast. Keep up the great work!
- hitekker 11y ago
  Your values page is interesting, though the quotes may be a bit excessive. If you don't mind my drive-by critique, I would suggest listing those quotes at the end of each one as a kind of an "alternate telling." For the "empathy" value: > Oftentimes, this means acknowledging weaknesses and having difficult conversations. Feedback should come from a place of love and respect, under the assumption that everyone has acted with the best of intentions. May I ask how this differs from the management consulting practice called "front-stabbing"? And for the "Don't Always Be Right": > We recognize that experimentation is crucial to innovation. We will not accepts “it works” as good enough. Being right may be orthogonal to taking risks + building a legendary product. Perhaps a better wording would be "Don't settle for just right"
  - tyre 11y ago
    This is great feedback: constructive and substantive. I like your idea framing the quotes as an alternate telling. They were listed first out of habit (ex-philosophy major), but you're right that this is primarily our story to tell. Empathy The difference between front-stabbing and giving good feedback is one of maturity. If you've had many conversations with young kids, they are incredible at giving blunt feedback, but it's only funny because they are tiny humans. Some of what they say would be unconstructive coming from an adult. Front-stabbing, to me, is someone trying to justify being an asshole. Your comment is a great example of the difference, of being honest and direct but mature. The opposite of the kumbaya culture isn't telling someone they suck, even if you do it because you want them to be better. Don't always be right This is my fault, I mixed too many concepts. This value is about not getting complacent with success or being afraid of failure. I don't want us to get it right every time, because experimentation (where the magic happens) involves making mistakes. As you point out, that failure isn't the same as taking the right risks. This value is counteracting our need to be perfect, about pushing back if we seem to always be getting what we expected. Happy to dive deeper if I didn't answer your questions. Thank you for the thoughtful consideration!
    - hitekker 11y ago
      Thank you in return for thinking through my suggestion :-) Everything you said sounds fine, with the exception of what makes front-stabbing, front-stabbing. I agree that maturity is important for giving constructive feedback; just as important, in my opinion, is closeness. That closeness is certainly achievable in a small startup, but the company scales, I have strong doubts that it will match the level of honesty Empathy, the company value, demands. More to the point: when unleashed in a social context where all parties aren't friends, I believe that "true" honesty (concerning a person's work) will inevitably transform into front-stabbing (attacking a person via their work) . If someone who I was not close with was uncomfortably honest to me in the middle of a meeting, in front of many other people, I would probably ask myself "Is this person saying this because I'm actually doing something wrong? Or is he just trying to make me look bad?"[1] When many ears are listening and many eyes are watching, I know I would feel less inclined to reflect on her or his words, and more inclined to worry about my loss of face. Especially if this person has made a habit out of being vocally honest with others. In my opinion, maturity isn't 1:1 with morality; a person can act like an adult and also be ruthlessly ambitious enough to take advantage of and hurt others. The deep, deep end of being uncomfortably honest among others in a workplace is a struggle session, where one person is in the middle of the room being berated by everyone else. No one wants to let it go that far, at least not initially, but I certainly believe the basic social lubricant of politeness must be valued, and applied in most contexts[2] Privacy, maturity and closeness are the makings of a real heart to heart, where both sides can learn from each other. Missing one, or having any in deficiency and, as the company scales, the risk of front-stabbing grows exponential[3]. Said another way by a Wall Street Journal commenter: "You better not front-stab your boss." [1] There was an article recently that surmised that all public apologies are purely P.R; any demonstration of heartfelt guilt is quickly exploited as an act of weakness, so the apologizer is as tightlipped as she or he can be. Can't seem to find it... [2] Of course, the other deep, deep end is a Japanese firm where the knives are under the table instead of on the plates! [3] It's 1:40a.m. in NYC so I hope I'm coming across as explaining my perspective instead of as some kind of internet troll.
nradov 11y ago
Ironically, Facebook which popularized the saying "move fast and break things" is actually more reliable now than many slower-moving systems. http://mashable.com/2014/04/30/facebooks-new-mantra-move-fast-with-stability/ http://mashable.com/2014/04/30/facebooks-new-mantra-move-fas...
- fweespeech 11y ago
  It's a question of the cost of a bug. Frankly, bugs with Facebook were trivial for the first few years. Payroll, insurance those bugs cause serious problems that create substantial financial costs for your customers and possibly regulatory fines.
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tyre 11y ago

Glad you liked it! I'm now building software for local government and we've naturally taken that ethos to our new company. If you are ever looking for another opportunity, check us out http://seneca.systems http://seneca.systems

toomuchtodo 11y ago
You had me at "...building amazing technology to unf* government."
karmajunkie 11y ago
I'm not looking at the moment, and not in SF, but having a minimum vacation policy and working on software for governments is impressive to me. Kudos.
free2rhyme214 11y ago
CRM for government reminds me of the Ted Talk where a guy said the government should use source control. We're not there yet but it's a step in the right direction. You guys should seriously consider using resellers and distributors btw. Gov't purchasing agents always request three competitive bids.
- ncd 11y ago
  That's true if you try to sell into the municipalities via the RFP process. However, we sell directly to the departments who will be using our software. We've met with great success doing it this way. In fact, we managed to close a department in Miami in only six days--that's basically unheard of in local government software sales.
  - free2rhyme214 11y ago
    You're right that is fast. Keep up the great work!
hitekker 11y ago
Your values page is interesting, though the quotes may be a bit excessive. If you don't mind my drive-by critique, I would suggest listing those quotes at the end of each one as a kind of an "alternate telling." For the "empathy" value: > Oftentimes, this means acknowledging weaknesses and having difficult conversations. Feedback should come from a place of love and respect, under the assumption that everyone has acted with the best of intentions. May I ask how this differs from the management consulting practice called "front-stabbing"? And for the "Don't Always Be Right": > We recognize that experimentation is crucial to innovation. We will not accepts “it works” as good enough. Being right may be orthogonal to taking risks + building a legendary product. Perhaps a better wording would be "Don't settle for just right"
- tyre 11y ago
  This is great feedback: constructive and substantive. I like your idea framing the quotes as an alternate telling. They were listed first out of habit (ex-philosophy major), but you're right that this is primarily our story to tell. Empathy The difference between front-stabbing and giving good feedback is one of maturity. If you've had many conversations with young kids, they are incredible at giving blunt feedback, but it's only funny because they are tiny humans. Some of what they say would be unconstructive coming from an adult. Front-stabbing, to me, is someone trying to justify being an asshole. Your comment is a great example of the difference, of being honest and direct but mature. The opposite of the kumbaya culture isn't telling someone they suck, even if you do it because you want them to be better. Don't always be right This is my fault, I mixed too many concepts. This value is about not getting complacent with success or being afraid of failure. I don't want us to get it right every time, because experimentation (where the magic happens) involves making mistakes. As you point out, that failure isn't the same as taking the right risks. This value is counteracting our need to be perfect, about pushing back if we seem to always be getting what we expected. Happy to dive deeper if I didn't answer your questions. Thank you for the thoughtful consideration!
  - hitekker 11y ago
    Thank you in return for thinking through my suggestion :-) Everything you said sounds fine, with the exception of what makes front-stabbing, front-stabbing. I agree that maturity is important for giving constructive feedback; just as important, in my opinion, is closeness. That closeness is certainly achievable in a small startup, but the company scales, I have strong doubts that it will match the level of honesty Empathy, the company value, demands. More to the point: when unleashed in a social context where all parties aren't friends, I believe that "true" honesty (concerning a person's work) will inevitably transform into front-stabbing (attacking a person via their work) . If someone who I was not close with was uncomfortably honest to me in the middle of a meeting, in front of many other people, I would probably ask myself "Is this person saying this because I'm actually doing something wrong? Or is he just trying to make me look bad?"[1] When many ears are listening and many eyes are watching, I know I would feel less inclined to reflect on her or his words, and more inclined to worry about my loss of face. Especially if this person has made a habit out of being vocally honest with others. In my opinion, maturity isn't 1:1 with morality; a person can act like an adult and also be ruthlessly ambitious enough to take advantage of and hurt others. The deep, deep end of being uncomfortably honest among others in a workplace is a struggle session, where one person is in the middle of the room being berated by everyone else. No one wants to let it go that far, at least not initially, but I certainly believe the basic social lubricant of politeness must be valued, and applied in most contexts[2] Privacy, maturity and closeness are the makings of a real heart to heart, where both sides can learn from each other. Missing one, or having any in deficiency and, as the company scales, the risk of front-stabbing grows exponential[3]. Said another way by a Wall Street Journal commenter: "You better not front-stab your boss." [1] There was an article recently that surmised that all public apologies are purely P.R; any demonstration of heartfelt guilt is quickly exploited as an act of weakness, so the apologizer is as tightlipped as she or he can be. Can't seem to find it... [2] Of course, the other deep, deep end is a Japanese firm where the knives are under the table instead of on the plates! [3] It's 1:40a.m. in NYC so I hope I'm coming across as explaining my perspective instead of as some kind of internet troll.

nradov 11y ago

Ironically, Facebook which popularized the saying "move fast and break things" is actually more reliable now than many slower-moving systems. http://mashable.com/2014/04/30/facebooks-new-mantra-move-fast-with-stability/ http://mashable.com/2014/04/30/facebooks-new-mantra-move-fas...

fweespeech 11y ago
It's a question of the cost of a bug. Frankly, bugs with Facebook were trivial for the first few years. Payroll, insurance those bugs cause serious problems that create substantial financial costs for your customers and possibly regulatory fines.

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