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Business Insider has run several articles of the urban college female "problem". With 30% more females obtaining college degrees currently than males plus that
by peter303 11y ago
Business Insider has run several articles of the urban college female "problem". With 30% more females obtaining college degrees currently than males plus that males generally dont marry up, there is a surplus of 20-something college females in all metropolitan areas except San Francisco and Washington DC. Good news for guys then.
One silly article tried explain the success of hookup apps is that more desperate females are willing to put out in this environment.
- ticviking 11y agoHow is that silly? It could be that commitment and sex have become inverted in order as the preferences of the scarce "resource".
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- djcapelis 11y agoAs a queer woman, I have to say this doesn't seem like a problem to me and I think you've made some bad assumptions about who this is good news for.
- Chris2048 11y agoWhy as a queer woman? How's that relevant?
- run4yourlives2 11y agoShe means it's also good news for her...
- Chris2048 11y agoThe surplus is caused by a lack of suitable males, implying a surplus of heterosexual females. Unless a lot of these females are bi, it's not much of a boost.
- run4yourlives2 11y agoAnd I think now you are touching on the other part of her comment... 1. Sexuality - particularly with women, in my experience - is variable: hetro women can and do consider other women as viable sexual partners, even if they don't consider them long term partners; 2. The implication of a "surplus of hetero females" is flawed given that bi and homo females do, in fact, exist and aren't properly accounted for. Not every single female in that surplus is available to you. In fact, some of them are available exclusively to "themselves" if you were.
- Chris2048 11y agoI'm not sure how that second point works wrt homo women, what do you mean by 'accounted for'? also, not every single female in the surplus needs to be 'available', since it's a statistical implication. a surplus of hetero females correlates with a surplus of 'available' hetero females.
- run4yourlives2 11y agoI think the overall meaning is that saying "Good news for guys then", while not a false statement, isn't a complete one either. "Good news for guys and lesbians" would be more accurate. "Good news for folks in the market for women" even more so. I don't think she's in any way suggesting you're wrong, (and neither am I) she just wants you to remember that she exists as well and benefits from this too. I can't speak for her but I also see it as a slightly humorous addendum to your point.
- djcapelis 11y agoI'll leave it to men to decide whether highly educated women being less likely to want to couple with available men is good for them. But I'm surprised anyone would assume it would be.
- surge 11y agoIt's good news for both, it doesn't mean it's a bad assumption just because it might benefit more than one demographic. It just comes off as smarmy with the whole "As a ____, I feel". That line always comes off as condescending. Could have just stated its good for lesbians too (and included like me), and been done with it, and come off as less hostile.
- vox_mollis 11y agoIdentity politics is how you shut down rational thought in the postmodern era. Very relevant to how people "argue" now.
- djcapelis 11y agoExcuse me?
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- 7952 11y agoYou may be right but I find it difficult to believe you can really detach argument from peoples sense of identity. People are just too susceptible to bias for that. I don't trust scientists, I trust science. Rationalism is something to aspire to, not a sense of identity to attack people with.
- wcummings 11y ago>You may be right No... no, they're not.
- auntyJemima 11y agoMales generally dont marry up? Couple things come to mind. Throughout my time, I've seen that women have their fair share of not wanting to marry down either. You want to say generalizations generalizations. Sure, but I think the age old stereotypes do have a hint of truth to them and the Bloomberg page here also states, "High-earning women (doctors, lawyers) tend to pair up with their economic equals, while middle- and lower-tier women often marry up." You say problem in quotation marks and I don't know why that is? If people are not finding their partners, that's a huge problem. Here's the anecdotal: My sister and her friends are all pretty educated women. Unfortunately, their standards have really gone up since receiving said education. I'm not saying this to bash, it's simply my observation. These days, they're all still single and reaching/past 30 and no man can scratch their itch. The whole thing is problematic.
- copperx 11y ago> My sister and her friends are all pretty educated women. What do you mean by this exactly? PhDs? MDs? > These days, they're all still single and reaching/past 30 and no man can scratch their itch. Could you give examples of the occupations of the rejected suitors?
- auntyJemima 11y agoYes, they include PhDs, DDS, Architecture, Mech Engineering. Their rejected list is guys that don't have much all the way to degrees in mining engineering. Software engineering tends to be what they "settle" for or are ok with. One, because software engineers make decent enough money and if they discounted them, they'd be throwing away a huge and competent group of men.
- aussieindian 11y agoI suspect unfortunately many Software guys act thirsty when young and get confident around women only into their 30's. Just as their stock raises,they settle for late 20's & 30's women who has had her fun and now wants to play mommy ( not wifey) Such a travesty that many a men are blind to the redpill truths https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedRedPill https://www.reddit.com/r/marriedRedPill
- NTDF9 11y agoFunny you bring this up. I was on a date last Thursday and this girl (29 yrs old) was constantly trying to figure out how she was better than me....IN EVERY FACET OF LIFE. For example, she went on and on about how she is a badass since she went to the Amazon forests to a nice touristy shack with a guide and a bar. She told stories of hammocks, mosquito nets, snakes, insects and other wild stuff. After a long time, she finally asked, "Tell me something about yourself...what adventures have you done? Or do you just do some programming stuff" (stereotyping of software engineers is rampant) I simply smiled at her and said, "I backpacked through the forests in India without tour guides and ate wood-fried insects for lunch" (all true) She was surprised....and all of a sudden, the average me piqued her interest. She couldn't believe that I had done better than her in pretty much everything. Now she wanted me....but I didn't...not anymore. I'm 27. I want practical, non-judgemental girls...not massive egos.
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- mpweiher 11y ago> that males generally dont marry up Huh? It's females that generally insist on marrying up, ergo insist on not marrying down. Males are much less picky in this regard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergamy Or just go to any dating site that allows visible income preferences.
- Mz 11y agoI am a woman. I married "down". I also married a man shorter than me, something I don't advertise much because men who are shorter than average tend to have enormous amounts of baggage and I don't want every short man on the planet thinking I am the solution to their problem. In many cases, I do not want to get involved with them because they are assholes, not because of their height. As a woman who defies two really common stereotypes here, I will suggest that most women are as bad about wanting men who are tall and moneyed as men are typically bad about wanting someone younger and hot looking. And, hey, those two types go well together. They don't make for the kind of relationship I want, but women aren't all saints who marry for "love" with zero conditions or whatever the hell. Most women are just as biased about who they date as men are, they just have different biases than men have.
- J-dawg 11y ago> I will suggest that most women are as bad about wanting men who are tall and moneyed as men are typically bad about wanting someone younger and hot looking Agreed, although there seems to be a big difference in the social acceptability of admitting it. Women will quite openly say they want a tall man, without being criticised. Whereas a man who says "I won't date anyone who weighs more than xxx lbs" or "I'll only date women at least 5 years younger than me" will often be seen as a shallow asshole. This is only based on my experience of discussing it with (male and female) friends. YMMV
- Mz 11y agoI agree with you and that is why I am commenting on it: Because "men are assholes" if they comment on it. I think the reason for that is because men have so much more economic and political power than women and there is a lot of expectation that heterosexual women will get financial support for their male lover. So a woman who is not "picky" is "a whore, just selling it" and a man who is too picky about things like looks is "just treating women like sex objects." The sex for money deal is only socially acceptable when they love each other and marry for love and then the defacto situation that he probably brings more money to the table is somehow OK. I think there are legitimate concerns there, but I don't agree with the way we resolve those issues. I do what little I can to try to change the conversation about such things.