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Conflating gender bias and misogyny is wrong. Gender bias is wrong, but people could have unconscious gender bias, which they need to work on and correct. How

Conflating gender bias and misogyny is wrong. Gender bias is wrong, but people could have unconscious gender bias, which they need to work on and correct. However, to call them misogynists is completely wrong and unhelpful and will only cause them to dismiss anything further. Misogyny is when men truly think women are beneath them, like that men's group that recently wanted to legalize rape. For example, recently someone came into a chat room and announced "Hello gents". I immediately corrected him with "You mean "ladies and gents"" and he apologized profusely. This is unconscious gender bias, it's not misogyny. Call gender bias what it is, gender bias, but don't overreact and call it misogyny when it's not. There are true misogynists out there, and to put those two people in the same camp is wrong and unhelpful and will only drive people away.

nostrebored 11y ago
The amalgamation of gender bias against women is misogyny. People like to wax poetic about the obviously misogynistic boogeymen like roosh or redpillers, but ignoring the reality of the situation -- that misogyny us upheld unwittingly by people that most would consider 'normal' -- doesn't really help anyone. It's like saying that racism is what the Klan does, not what normal people do!
- pfarnsworth 11y ago
  It is not misogyny, and if you keep conflating them, then you will lose the support of most people with common sense. Yes, there is gender bias, and yes we need to fight it vigorously. I do not want my daughter living in a world where she is considered an afterthought, or even a single atom inferior to a male. I want her growing up knowing that she is a full equal to any male on every level. And it's an uphill battle because of gender bias. But not all gender bias is misogyny.
  - nostrebored 11y ago
    Not all misogyny is gender bias, but I think there is a surjection. It's not an uphill battle because of gender bias -- it wouldn't exist at all without it. Socialization is the primary difference between the sexes, and that is how inequality perpetuates itself.
cushychicken 11y ago
That's a fair distinction, but I feel the core of my point remains - to say that bias doesn't exist or distract from that fact with other arguments is utter hogwash.

nostrebored 11y ago

The amalgamation of gender bias against women is misogyny. People like to wax poetic about the obviously misogynistic boogeymen like roosh or redpillers, but ignoring the reality of the situation -- that misogyny us upheld unwittingly by people that most would consider 'normal' -- doesn't really help anyone. It's like saying that racism is what the Klan does, not what normal people do!

pfarnsworth 11y ago
It is not misogyny, and if you keep conflating them, then you will lose the support of most people with common sense. Yes, there is gender bias, and yes we need to fight it vigorously. I do not want my daughter living in a world where she is considered an afterthought, or even a single atom inferior to a male. I want her growing up knowing that she is a full equal to any male on every level. And it's an uphill battle because of gender bias. But not all gender bias is misogyny.
- nostrebored 11y ago
  Not all misogyny is gender bias, but I think there is a surjection. It's not an uphill battle because of gender bias -- it wouldn't exist at all without it. Socialization is the primary difference between the sexes, and that is how inequality perpetuates itself.

cushychicken 11y ago

That's a fair distinction, but I feel the core of my point remains - to say that bias doesn't exist or distract from that fact with other arguments is utter hogwash.