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IMO this would only be an issue if they advertised that it was overclockable. If it was advertised with no ability to overclock, you should assume it can't ove

IMO this would only be an issue if they advertised that it was overclockable. If it was advertised with no ability to overclock, you should assume it can't overclock and if you are able, don't assume it will work or will stick around forever.

brillenfux 11y ago
There was a time when I bought something I owned it and could do anything I wanted with it. That time is clearly gone.
- Tepix 11y ago
  No one is forcing you to install the BIOS update.
  - Retric 11y ago
    I have been 'required' to install BIOS updates before. PS3 lost capability's at one point in an update and new games forced that update without mentioning it on the packaging. "Note that Intel paired this with a bug fix for the freezing during Prime95 - if you want the bug fix, you have to let them lock down your clock. "
    - Tepix 11y ago
      You are using an undocumented feature of the CPU, from Intel's point of view it's an unintended loophole. Also you can try to separate the Prime95 bugfix from the clock lockdown. Good luck :-)
  - jsheard 11y ago
    They could theoretically push the microcode out via Windows Update as well, which combined with Win10s enforced updates would make it difficult to avoid. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3064209 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3064209
    - Tepix 11y ago
      That's nasty - but isn't Microsoft to blame there?
  - gcb0 11y ago
    upgrading the OS, which you are required for security reasons, will also upgrade the micro code. in fact, i don't remember the bios ever being relevant for that
    - gcb0 11y ago
      to the geniuses downvoting... don't even know why i bother: "While microcode can be updated through the BIOS, the Linux kernel is also able to apply these updates during boot." -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode now, do you update your kernel more or less often than the BIOS?
      - brillenfux 11y ago
        It's best to develop a decent level of ignorance when it comes to social media dynamics :)
rasz_pl 11y ago
nah, they advertised Pentium G3258 as overclockable and later killed OC with microcode (on non Z boards)
qb45 11y ago
> don't assume it will work or will stick around forever. I agree with the first part, but no with the second. I don't like manufacturers deliberately breaking products which have already been sold, especially in cases when the sale wouldn't have happened if the product weren't better than specified. Today it's Intel removing not advertised features, tomorrow it'll be Sony removing advertised ones (or had they already done that?)
- dtparr 11y ago
  Are you referencing the PS3 forcing the option to either keep the ability to run linux or stay on the PSN, or was there something else?
  - qb45 11y ago
    Yes, I meant Linux on PS3.
lmm 11y ago
What if you went by a third-party review? IMO it should be illegal to remove functionality without changing the model number.

brillenfux 11y ago

There was a time when I bought something I owned it and could do anything I wanted with it. That time is clearly gone.

Tepix 11y ago
No one is forcing you to install the BIOS update.
- Retric 11y ago
  I have been 'required' to install BIOS updates before. PS3 lost capability's at one point in an update and new games forced that update without mentioning it on the packaging. "Note that Intel paired this with a bug fix for the freezing during Prime95 - if you want the bug fix, you have to let them lock down your clock. "
  - Tepix 11y ago
    You are using an undocumented feature of the CPU, from Intel's point of view it's an unintended loophole. Also you can try to separate the Prime95 bugfix from the clock lockdown. Good luck :-)
- jsheard 11y ago
  They could theoretically push the microcode out via Windows Update as well, which combined with Win10s enforced updates would make it difficult to avoid. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3064209 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3064209
  - Tepix 11y ago
    That's nasty - but isn't Microsoft to blame there?
- gcb0 11y ago
  upgrading the OS, which you are required for security reasons, will also upgrade the micro code. in fact, i don't remember the bios ever being relevant for that
  - gcb0 11y ago
    to the geniuses downvoting... don't even know why i bother: "While microcode can be updated through the BIOS, the Linux kernel is also able to apply these updates during boot." -- https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/microcode now, do you update your kernel more or less often than the BIOS?
    - brillenfux 11y ago
      It's best to develop a decent level of ignorance when it comes to social media dynamics :)

rasz_pl 11y ago

nah, they advertised Pentium G3258 as overclockable and later killed OC with microcode (on non Z boards)

qb45 11y ago

> don't assume it will work or will stick around forever. I agree with the first part, but no with the second. I don't like manufacturers deliberately breaking products which have already been sold, especially in cases when the sale wouldn't have happened if the product weren't better than specified. Today it's Intel removing not advertised features, tomorrow it'll be Sony removing advertised ones (or had they already done that?)

dtparr 11y ago
Are you referencing the PS3 forcing the option to either keep the ability to run linux or stay on the PSN, or was there something else?
- qb45 11y ago
  Yes, I meant Linux on PS3.

lmm 11y ago

What if you went by a third-party review? IMO it should be illegal to remove functionality without changing the model number.