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And the next step would be to allow algorithms to have bank accounts, earn money for their work and then be charged, prosecuted and put in "jail" for X number o

And the next step would be to allow algorithms to have bank accounts, earn money for their work and then be charged, prosecuted and put in "jail" for X number of CPU cycles.

omginternets 11y ago
What if its process is already chroot jailed?
7373737373 11y ago
Have a look at Ethereum. It already allows programs to control money. Soon, much more.
- omginternets 11y ago
  I've been to Etherium's website, I've looked over the wikipedia entry, but I still don't understand what it actually is. Best I can figure, it's a replacement for "the internet". I'm pretty technically literate, but I have to admit I'm at a complete loss as to why this project matters (let alone what it does). Could you enlighten me?
  - 7373737373 11y ago
    I agree, the current website does not explain it very well. Let me try. The Ethereum vision encompasses three components: P2P messaging, a file distribution layer and Blockchains. I described them in more detail here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3npsoz/ethereum_ipfs_and_filecoin/cvqm1nu https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3npsoz/ethereum_i... In practice, this is actually more complex, but should suffice as an introduction. The Ethereum developers are mostly focused on the Blockchain component. On-chain accounts can be associated with program code and state, the environment specifies a turing complete virtual machine, called Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM). Transactions can call these programs (also called "smart contracts") and contracts can call other contracts as well. To avoid infinite loops, every execution step in the EVM incurs a fee ("gas cost") that is collected by the miner of the new block that include the transaction. If a transaction does not supply enough gas (paid in Ether, the networks currency), the fees are collected anyway and all changes are undone. The validity of the program state is guaranteed with a consensus algorithm. It is replicated across all nodes. So if you want to censor the program, you have to attack the entire network. This makes them reasonably independent of human control and thus allows them to control arbitrary state, including the networks currency. But how can the contract communicate with the rest of the world? It can only do so using transactions. For example, it could incentivise transactions that supply it with information, or could use other contracts to schedule micropayments to some service. Contracts could also be used to reference content addressed data (have a look at ipfs.io, these are basically the other two components) and thereby act as a (domain) name system. All in all, this decentralises storage, state and communication and is the most futuristic thing I know of. It took me weeks to understand how these components relate to each other, but it was worth it.
    - omginternets 11y ago
      Thanks for the "for dummies" version! I think I might actually have an idea for an application that would benefit from this infrastructure. :)
    - narutouzumaki 11y ago
      Very interesting! commenting to come back later and read up
TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
Isn't this how HFT works?
- maxerickson 11y ago
  No, a human or group of humans is responsible for the HFT algorithm.

And the next step would be to allow algorithms to have bank accounts, earn money for their work and then be charged, prosecuted and put in "jail" for X number of CPU cycles.

omginternets 11y ago

What if its process is already chroot jailed?

7373737373 11y ago

Have a look at Ethereum. It already allows programs to control money. Soon, much more.

omginternets 11y ago
I've been to Etherium's website, I've looked over the wikipedia entry, but I still don't understand what it actually is. Best I can figure, it's a replacement for "the internet". I'm pretty technically literate, but I have to admit I'm at a complete loss as to why this project matters (let alone what it does). Could you enlighten me?
- 7373737373 11y ago
  I agree, the current website does not explain it very well. Let me try. The Ethereum vision encompasses three components: P2P messaging, a file distribution layer and Blockchains. I described them in more detail here: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3npsoz/ethereum_ipfs_and_filecoin/cvqm1nu https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3npsoz/ethereum_i... In practice, this is actually more complex, but should suffice as an introduction. The Ethereum developers are mostly focused on the Blockchain component. On-chain accounts can be associated with program code and state, the environment specifies a turing complete virtual machine, called Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM). Transactions can call these programs (also called "smart contracts") and contracts can call other contracts as well. To avoid infinite loops, every execution step in the EVM incurs a fee ("gas cost") that is collected by the miner of the new block that include the transaction. If a transaction does not supply enough gas (paid in Ether, the networks currency), the fees are collected anyway and all changes are undone. The validity of the program state is guaranteed with a consensus algorithm. It is replicated across all nodes. So if you want to censor the program, you have to attack the entire network. This makes them reasonably independent of human control and thus allows them to control arbitrary state, including the networks currency. But how can the contract communicate with the rest of the world? It can only do so using transactions. For example, it could incentivise transactions that supply it with information, or could use other contracts to schedule micropayments to some service. Contracts could also be used to reference content addressed data (have a look at ipfs.io, these are basically the other two components) and thereby act as a (domain) name system. All in all, this decentralises storage, state and communication and is the most futuristic thing I know of. It took me weeks to understand how these components relate to each other, but it was worth it.
  - omginternets 11y ago
    Thanks for the "for dummies" version! I think I might actually have an idea for an application that would benefit from this infrastructure. :)
  - narutouzumaki 11y ago
    Very interesting! commenting to come back later and read up

TheOtherHobbes 11y ago

Isn't this how HFT works?

maxerickson 11y ago
No, a human or group of humans is responsible for the HFT algorithm.