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I don't buy the doomsday scenario. The system will adapt.

Daishiman 11y ago
You don't need to buy anything when the scientific evidence shows quite clearly that the disruptions on the ecosystem are too abrupt for adaptation. There's been a 30% reduction in phytoplankton in the Indian Ocean in the past few decades, an exponential increase in methane emissions from Arctic permafrost, and so on and so forth.
- jessaustin 11y ago
  Actually one might want to buy lots of subarctic or humid continental real estate. If one believed that this cold land were due to get warmer and more valuable, that is. The advantage in knowing the future is in profiting from coming changes. If buying real estate is impossible for warming enthusiasts, maybe they could lobby governments and organizations to do so instead. If India is destined to lose farmland, maybe it would benefit by owning options on farmland in Siberia?
  - zbyte64 11y ago
    That sounds great until you read Russian laws on the matter: "foreigners may not own agricultural land" Any opportunities you conjure for the poor is already accessible to the wealthy and powerful.
mineshaftgap 11y ago
Anyone that does not believe in absolute doom is a denier. Stupid.
zbyte64 11y ago
There is no guarantee that adaptation will respect our moral sensibilities. If we don't acquire knowledge and make the effort to adapt then nature will make the decisions for us and we might not like the results.
- iofj 11y ago
  Nope. I think the theory is much more along the lines that our moral sensibilities will adapt. Right now the prevailing theory seems to be that we can beat climate change ... without serious economic impact ... without moving cities/populations ... without sea level changes ... without moving around agricultural production ... above all without any compromises anywhere ... Of course this will fail. This idea of keeping the world constant has failed in every period, climate change or no climate change. The conspiracy theory is that this is not in fact a surprise to anyone working on climate change, but that the money's good (and the counter is : we're talking academics here ... so let's get real ... the money's ... almost acceptable)
  - zbyte64 11y ago
    Thank you for telling me what my position is while ignoring the claim that knowledge is beneficial for adaptation. /s

You don't need to buy anything when the scientific evidence shows quite clearly that the disruptions on the ecosystem are too abrupt for adaptation. There's been a 30% reduction in phytoplankton in the Indian Ocean in the past few decades, an exponential increase in methane emissions from Arctic permafrost, and so on and so forth.

jessaustin 11y ago
Actually one might want to buy lots of subarctic or humid continental real estate. If one believed that this cold land were due to get warmer and more valuable, that is. The advantage in knowing the future is in profiting from coming changes. If buying real estate is impossible for warming enthusiasts, maybe they could lobby governments and organizations to do so instead. If India is destined to lose farmland, maybe it would benefit by owning options on farmland in Siberia?
- zbyte64 11y ago
  That sounds great until you read Russian laws on the matter: "foreigners may not own agricultural land" Any opportunities you conjure for the poor is already accessible to the wealthy and powerful.

mineshaftgap 11y ago

Anyone that does not believe in absolute doom is a denier. Stupid.

zbyte64 11y ago

There is no guarantee that adaptation will respect our moral sensibilities. If we don't acquire knowledge and make the effort to adapt then nature will make the decisions for us and we might not like the results.

iofj 11y ago
Nope. I think the theory is much more along the lines that our moral sensibilities will adapt. Right now the prevailing theory seems to be that we can beat climate change ... without serious economic impact ... without moving cities/populations ... without sea level changes ... without moving around agricultural production ... above all without any compromises anywhere ... Of course this will fail. This idea of keeping the world constant has failed in every period, climate change or no climate change. The conspiracy theory is that this is not in fact a surprise to anyone working on climate change, but that the money's good (and the counter is : we're talking academics here ... so let's get real ... the money's ... almost acceptable)
- zbyte64 11y ago
  Thank you for telling me what my position is while ignoring the claim that knowledge is beneficial for adaptation. /s