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Making a murderer season 2? Shouldn't a man with a cudgel be able to beat a dog in a duel?

sp332 11y ago
Depends on the dog. And the man. And the cudgel. Kidding aside, dogs weren't bred to be gentle house pets back then. Think something closer to a domesticated wolf.
- beachstartup 11y ago
  > dogs weren't bred to be gentle house pets back then dogs have been bred for all sorts of purposes since the beginning of dogs.
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  - sp332 11y ago
    Bred certainly, but not... teacup poodles, you know? This was probably some "working breed" and it sounds like it was on the large side.
    - lmitchell 11y ago
      The Pinterest link to the statue submitted earlier (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11049681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11049681), if it's supposed to be a depiction, makes the dog look pretty damn big by today's standards. I would not fancy my chances against it with just a cudgel... :)
dawnbreez 11y ago
Dogs are both faster and better armed than men. However, the man has better reach in this case, and is (probably) trained better than the dog. It's kind of a toss-up.
- amelius 11y ago
  Dogs have less fear, because they don't know the inevitable outcome if they lose the fight.
  - dawnbreez 11y ago
    I wouldn't necessarily call that an advantage, or a disadvantage for that matter. The kind of person who is locked up by fear in a fight likely hasn't had enough training or experience to win the fight anyway.
charlieflowers 11y ago
I don't think it's even close. 9 times out of 10, a man with a cudgel should be destroyed by a large dog (especially one much closer to its wolf ancestry). Even now, watching my very gentle Golden Retriever have an exuberant running fit, it's clear that dogs are much more agile than humans. All it takes is one miss of that cudgel, and teeth are locked in on the human's delicate skin, cutting in with hundreds of pounds of pressure.
- marshray 11y ago
  But single dog bites are rarely fatal. So you offer the dog your left arm and then cudgel him to death with your right.
  - tluyben2 11y ago
    If you can stand a lot of pain long enough. If the dog is determined and has jaw muscles and bones enough to crush your arm you might not be able to focus even enough through the pain to hit the dog even once. My gentle mixed breed refuge (who is roughly the same size as the dog depicted for this story) dog uses his back molars through rapidly bite through bone (and he just splits the few big dog Kongs we tried in half to get the food out) and that is when he is not angry or hungry; when angered I think the splintering of your arm would be enough to make you drop your stick in the other arm's hand.
travmatt 11y ago
I think you may overestimate how strong people are.
- SixSigma 11y ago
  Or clever. My associate was running from the police, had an Alsatian set upon him. He let it grab his arm then picked it up and snapped its spine over his knee and then fled. I've had a dog set on me in a street fight. It grabbed my sleeve so I ran it its owner with it attached. He fled. As for the cudgel, poor weapon on close combat. If you find yourself with a swinging weapon, use it like a spike, not a bat.

sp332 11y ago

Depends on the dog. And the man. And the cudgel. Kidding aside, dogs weren't bred to be gentle house pets back then. Think something closer to a domesticated wolf.

beachstartup 11y ago
> dogs weren't bred to be gentle house pets back then dogs have been bred for all sorts of purposes since the beginning of dogs.
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- sp332 11y ago
  Bred certainly, but not... teacup poodles, you know? This was probably some "working breed" and it sounds like it was on the large side.
  - lmitchell 11y ago
    The Pinterest link to the statue submitted earlier (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11049681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11049681), if it's supposed to be a depiction, makes the dog look pretty damn big by today's standards. I would not fancy my chances against it with just a cudgel... :)

dawnbreez 11y ago

Dogs are both faster and better armed than men. However, the man has better reach in this case, and is (probably) trained better than the dog. It's kind of a toss-up.

amelius 11y ago
Dogs have less fear, because they don't know the inevitable outcome if they lose the fight.
- dawnbreez 11y ago
  I wouldn't necessarily call that an advantage, or a disadvantage for that matter. The kind of person who is locked up by fear in a fight likely hasn't had enough training or experience to win the fight anyway.

charlieflowers 11y ago

I don't think it's even close. 9 times out of 10, a man with a cudgel should be destroyed by a large dog (especially one much closer to its wolf ancestry). Even now, watching my very gentle Golden Retriever have an exuberant running fit, it's clear that dogs are much more agile than humans. All it takes is one miss of that cudgel, and teeth are locked in on the human's delicate skin, cutting in with hundreds of pounds of pressure.

marshray 11y ago
But single dog bites are rarely fatal. So you offer the dog your left arm and then cudgel him to death with your right.
- tluyben2 11y ago
  If you can stand a lot of pain long enough. If the dog is determined and has jaw muscles and bones enough to crush your arm you might not be able to focus even enough through the pain to hit the dog even once. My gentle mixed breed refuge (who is roughly the same size as the dog depicted for this story) dog uses his back molars through rapidly bite through bone (and he just splits the few big dog Kongs we tried in half to get the food out) and that is when he is not angry or hungry; when angered I think the splintering of your arm would be enough to make you drop your stick in the other arm's hand.

travmatt 11y ago

I think you may overestimate how strong people are.

SixSigma 11y ago
Or clever. My associate was running from the police, had an Alsatian set upon him. He let it grab his arm then picked it up and snapped its spine over his knee and then fled. I've had a dog set on me in a street fight. It grabbed my sleeve so I ran it its owner with it attached. He fled. As for the cudgel, poor weapon on close combat. If you find yourself with a swinging weapon, use it like a spike, not a bat.