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139 points by chris-at 11y ago

mrmondo 11y ago
Great to see, also very happy that development has really sped up this year.
- blindfly 11y ago
  I just purchased a license moments after in support of this. Hurrah!
- jbrooksuk 11y ago
  Last year wasn't that quiet when you consider the different features that arrived such as the new syntax system.
  - mrmondo 11y ago
    I have to be honest - I didn't even notice there was a new syntax system?
    - jbrooksuk 11y ago
      Yeah, ".sublime-syntax" rather than using the ".tmTheme" files. It offers a lot more flexibility from what I've seen.
wodenokoto 11y ago
Does anyone know what features are missing from the dev builds before an actual release of version 3? It seems to me that Sublime lost a lot of community support due to the very long development time of version 3.
- fastball 11y ago
  I don't see why. I've experience nothing but stability with the dev builds, honestly don't see why it's on 3.0 officially already.
- laumars 11y ago
  Quite a lot of people (myself including) just use v3 regardless. I honestly think Jon Skinner could just release the next version as 3.0 and few people would mind since most people treat the current beta as an RC anyway.
- Cthulhu_ 11y ago
  If ST 2 is any indication, it'll be in beta for a while longer, then 4.0 beta will start (paid upgrade) and 3 will no longer be developed. It's a bit of a silly way to monetize. I haven't actually gotten a license for 3 because of that, I'd rather not pay for beta software or for software that I know will hardly be maintained once out of beta.
  - jrochkind1 11y ago
    I'm pretty sure current license keys work for both 2 and 3. Although it's not doc'd clearly, which does not inspire confidence. But my existing license key for 2 worked for 3 beta, and the FAQ[1] says "A license is valid for Sublime Text 3, and includes all point updates, as well as access to prior versions (e.g., Sublime Text 2). Future major versions, such as Sublime Text 4, will be a paid upgrade." But if you already have a license key for 2, there's no risk, download 3 and see if it accepts your existing license key -- I think it might. I have no idea why 3 is still called 'beta'. [1] https://www.sublimetext.com/sales_faq https://www.sublimetext.com/sales_faq
    - slig 11y ago
      > But if you already have a license key for 2, there's no risk, download 3 and see if it accepts your existing license key -- I think it might It does. While ST3 is on beta, you can use your ST2 license.
    - hakanderyal 11y ago
      Just tried, at it works for beta, displaying this message: >>Thanks for trying out Sublime Text 3! Sublime Text 3 is a paid upgrade from Sublime Text 2, and an upgrade will be required for use when 3.0 is released. Until then, please enjoy Sublime Text 3 Beta.
      - jrochkind1 11y ago
        I wouldn't worry about 3.0 being released, it doesn't seem like it's going to happen anytime... ever.
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- jacobolus 11y ago
  They ran out of TextMate features to clone. :P
ynak 11y ago
Wow, I didn't know that sublime forum had migrated to discourse platform. Looks great.
- jbrooksuk 11y ago
  Yeah, it happened maybe a month ago?
  - joshschreuder 11y ago
    Is that because of all the forum spam? I went to the forum a month or two ago looking for an update on where Sublime was at and it was just overrun with junk posts.
    - jbrooksuk 11y ago
      I presume so, at least that would've played a big part in it. As a moderator of the forum, I try my best to keep on top of it. The old forum didn't have mail notifications or a decent spam blocker, so it was a lot of manual work.
- mrmondo 11y ago
  It's good hey! I ran a small POC project using discourse and really enjoyed it, there were a few UX / workflow related things that needed fixing but over all the community really enjoyed using it.
softinio 11y ago
I think its time to just move to using atom. To me its ahead of Sublime now. Its clear that Sublime is no longer being developed as a priority like it used to.
- bossx 11y ago
  How is the performance on Atom these day? When I tried it a few months back it took a while to start up, and to load large files.
  - cfontes 11y ago
    Same for me, dropped it on spot because of those issues. It was very very slow, 6 months ago.
  - softinio 11y ago
    When atom first came out and i tried I said no thank you as it genuinely was painfully slow. I have been using atom now full time for 3 weeks and gave it another chance as I love a lot of the plugins it has and the community and I am very impressed. Regarding its slowness it has improved a lot. The only complaint I have with its speed compared to a native app like sublime is that it is slow in starting. This doesn't affect me much as when I am working on a project I leave it open all the time anyway :-) Give it a try and get some of the useful plugins and you will never look back.
  - gladimdim 11y ago
    Visual Code is much faster than Atom but Sublime is still way faster. I have not seen great speed improvement last year in Atom :-(
  - jsheard 11y ago
    Start-up and creating a new window can still take a good 3 seconds on my machine. Visual Studio (the huge IDE, not VS Code) is actually faster to start most of the time.
- arc0re 11y ago
  The only problem I have with Atom and siblings like VSCode is that they are way slower than native software (like Emacs or Sublime). So I'm waiting for editors like 4coder to come to life
manaskarekar 11y ago
Just going to throw one of my favorite editors out there. http://www.jedit.org/ http://www.jedit.org/ Very customizable, very nice font rendering, healthy plugin ecosystem and tons of themes, lots of shortcuts and features, GPL v2 license. I use this at work and home. I love vim, but I haven't mastered it more than I have jEdit. I am taking a shot in the dark but I'm guessing the lack of popularity is due to it being dependent on the jvm. It's a non-issue for me.
bigtunacan 11y ago
A huge portion of value with any of these text editors come from plugins and ubiquity. Over the years I have seen text editors come and go as the new "one true editor", but only Vim and Emacs have had true staying power. Back when it was hot (some of you are probably too young to remember this) I used jEdit. It is still around and gets some maintenance updates from time to time (http://www.jedit.org/ http://www.jedit.org/), but the plugin ecosystem has languished so you better be ready to roll your own. With Vim and Emacs (Vim for me) I can trust it to go anywhere I want to be. If I'm ssh-ing into a Redhat 5 production server needing to do an emergency fix at 3 in the am Vim is there for me. And when I need syntax support or any plugin under the sun, that is available as well. Vim is also blazingly fast compared to Atom (the latest fad) which is sluggish by comparison. Sublime seems to be falling into that sunsetting stage the same as jEdit Just my 2 cents.
- ryannevius 11y ago
  I'm not sure I understand what your comment has to do with Sublime...but in any case, Sublime does have a very active plugin ecosystem: https://packagecontrol.io/ https://packagecontrol.io/
  - eswat 11y ago
    From OP… > Sublime seems to be falling into that sunsetting stage the same as jEdit
  - bigtunacan 11y ago
    I thought my points were fairly clear. 1) Vim and Emacs are already on your production servers so a large number of people have to use them anyway so that's extra mental overhead. 2) Sublime development is languishing this will eventually lead to a stalled plugin pipeline and the need to learn a new tool or write your own plugins. 3) Stick with a tool that you can have a level of faith will still be well supported for the next 20 years.
    - oldmanjay 11y ago
      Not all of us are stuck in the cult of the editing paradigm of the 70s despite the fervent mistaken belief that it is objectively superior.
elementalest 11y ago
I really like sublime text, i have considered buying it several times. I go to the buy page and see the price tag - $70 US! Nope. Given the very slow and infrequent development and the fact that its just a text editor (albeit a fancy one), i really can't justify the price. I would consider buying if it was receiving regular updates (bug fixes, new features, etc) and had a bit of certainty with its future. But really, if it was priced around $20, i would have bought it ages ago - and if it hadn't then, I'd buy it now.
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- fuj 11y ago
  Nice excuse for being cheap. Is Sublime unstable or lacking any major feature? Why the pressure of getting more regular updates if there's not anything critical missing. On the contrary, it has a lot of features, there's a massive eco system of plugins for it. Do you use Sublime for work? If so, you should pay for it. Any other excuse is just you, being cheap. $70 is nothing for it offers.
  - kedean 11y ago
    He's not saying "I would never pay for a text editor, that's ridiculous!", he's saying $70 is just a little steep for a text editor. What exactly is it offering that makes it worth $70 vs something more reasonable? Panic's Coda is priced similarly, but it also offers a lot of web-dev targeted features that other editors either don't provide or only provide less user-friendly plugins for When you strip out plugins made by someone who isn't getting a cut of that $70, what are the tangible features Sublime has over the glut of free editors out there?
- lewiseason 11y ago
  But then again, how many bugs have you found? And with it's rich plugin ecosystem, what features are sorely missing? For something I'm going to have my face in for hours each day, every day, $70 seems pretty reasonable. (Partially playing devil's advocate here, as I use vim much more than Sublime)
jrochkind1 11y ago
Why the heck doesn't he stop calling 3 'beta'? Many people are being led by the naming and web page instructions to install 2, only to find that 3 'beta' is really the one everyone in the know is using, and that plugins are being developed for.
- alex_duf 11y ago
  well I'm using the version 2 precisely because the 3rd is marked "beta". So yeah I would appreciate an official release.
  - jbrooksuk 11y ago
    I've used the 3dev builds since they were first released and have zero complaints with stability. Sometimes there is a regression introduced, but it's fixed almost immediately.
  - _jdams 11y ago
    I believe you'll have great results with Sublime Text 3, why don't you give it a try this weekend? It's extremely stable and I haven't had any issues with it!
  - coldtea 11y ago
    Were you also not using Node because it was called 0.xx?
    - fweespeech 11y ago
      Yes. Also, there really was never a compelling reason to know node if you already had the skillset to use a language besides javascript.
    - jrochkind1 11y ago
      Dude, you go to the SublimeText web page, and it leads you to download ST2. There's no way to know 'everyone' is really using ST3 beta except if you learn it from a social network. Yes, if I go to a website for a product I haven't used before, and there's a big download link for X.0 version, and a link somewhere else on some other page for x+1.0.beta, I'm going to download the X.0 even if I _do_ find that other page.
bluedino 11y ago
Atom is so slow it's a sideshow. It also has the problem of jEdit and Komodo, not a native app so they greatly reduce battery life on laptops. Just because Sublime's developer isn't updating it as much as he used to doesn't mean anything. What more could you want? The community hasn't stopped with plugin development which is what really counts. This just reminds me of the consumer software mindset where a new version needs to come out every year, just for the sake of it. There's nothing wrong with using 'old' software that just works.
- melling 11y ago
  Then you apply an exponential curve and one day the much larger development community and Moore's Law push Atom past Sublime. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth Note, I own Sublime and still use it. However, I do see great value in the Atom project. Developers shouldn't fall in love with an editor. Key bindings perhaps. The ideal editor would let me turn it into vim or Emacs, for example.
  - kuschku 11y ago
    > The ideal editor would let me turn it into vim or Emacs, for example. You mean like vim-mode is already existing in every editor worth to be called editor?
    - melling 11y ago
      No, I mean an editor that allows you to build a complete vim with macros, for example. The source for vim wouldn't be in C and you could implement plugins like EasyMotion. https://github.com/easymotion/vim-easymotion https://github.com/easymotion/vim-easymotion
      - Luc 11y ago
        Atom's pretty good for that, or am I misunderstanding you? https://github.com/atom/vim-mode https://github.com/atom/vim-mode https://github.com/leny/atom-easy-motion-redux https://github.com/leny/atom-easy-motion-redux
YngwieMalware 11y ago
Sublime is a great editor. I purchased Sublime many years ago and improved my ability to work. Now I'm using Atom because I like the way it looks, it does everything I need it to do, and while it may be slow to open, I leave it open anyway so it's not really an issue for me (note: Of course I want everything to be as fast as possible). That said, I still support Sublime and would still even buy the upgrade to the new version if it ever comes out.
ddingus 11y ago
Please build for the Pi. I want to buy another license. Thanks.
nikolay 11y ago
This broke my Material theme - the project tree is now white.
georgehaake 11y ago
I installed textmate 2 for S and Gs. I have to say it is elegantly impressive. Many not all of the bundles many would need. My only gripe I miss it on Linux. Sublime Text ubiquitous nature is a big attraction in this regard.

139 points by chris-at 11y ago

mrmondo 11y ago

Great to see, also very happy that development has really sped up this year.

blindfly 11y ago
I just purchased a license moments after in support of this. Hurrah!
jbrooksuk 11y ago
Last year wasn't that quiet when you consider the different features that arrived such as the new syntax system.
- mrmondo 11y ago
  I have to be honest - I didn't even notice there was a new syntax system?
  - jbrooksuk 11y ago
    Yeah, ".sublime-syntax" rather than using the ".tmTheme" files. It offers a lot more flexibility from what I've seen.

wodenokoto 11y ago

Does anyone know what features are missing from the dev builds before an actual release of version 3? It seems to me that Sublime lost a lot of community support due to the very long development time of version 3.

fastball 11y ago
I don't see why. I've experience nothing but stability with the dev builds, honestly don't see why it's on 3.0 officially already.
laumars 11y ago
Quite a lot of people (myself including) just use v3 regardless. I honestly think Jon Skinner could just release the next version as 3.0 and few people would mind since most people treat the current beta as an RC anyway.
Cthulhu_ 11y ago
If ST 2 is any indication, it'll be in beta for a while longer, then 4.0 beta will start (paid upgrade) and 3 will no longer be developed. It's a bit of a silly way to monetize. I haven't actually gotten a license for 3 because of that, I'd rather not pay for beta software or for software that I know will hardly be maintained once out of beta.
- jrochkind1 11y ago
  I'm pretty sure current license keys work for both 2 and 3. Although it's not doc'd clearly, which does not inspire confidence. But my existing license key for 2 worked for 3 beta, and the FAQ[1] says "A license is valid for Sublime Text 3, and includes all point updates, as well as access to prior versions (e.g., Sublime Text 2). Future major versions, such as Sublime Text 4, will be a paid upgrade." But if you already have a license key for 2, there's no risk, download 3 and see if it accepts your existing license key -- I think it might. I have no idea why 3 is still called 'beta'. [1] https://www.sublimetext.com/sales_faq https://www.sublimetext.com/sales_faq
  - slig 11y ago
    > But if you already have a license key for 2, there's no risk, download 3 and see if it accepts your existing license key -- I think it might It does. While ST3 is on beta, you can use your ST2 license.
  - hakanderyal 11y ago
    Just tried, at it works for beta, displaying this message: >>Thanks for trying out Sublime Text 3! Sublime Text 3 is a paid upgrade from Sublime Text 2, and an upgrade will be required for use when 3.0 is released. Until then, please enjoy Sublime Text 3 Beta.
    - jrochkind1 11y ago
      I wouldn't worry about 3.0 being released, it doesn't seem like it's going to happen anytime... ever.
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jacobolus 11y ago
They ran out of TextMate features to clone. :P

ynak 11y ago

Wow, I didn't know that sublime forum had migrated to discourse platform. Looks great.

jbrooksuk 11y ago
Yeah, it happened maybe a month ago?
- joshschreuder 11y ago
  Is that because of all the forum spam? I went to the forum a month or two ago looking for an update on where Sublime was at and it was just overrun with junk posts.
  - jbrooksuk 11y ago
    I presume so, at least that would've played a big part in it. As a moderator of the forum, I try my best to keep on top of it. The old forum didn't have mail notifications or a decent spam blocker, so it was a lot of manual work.
mrmondo 11y ago
It's good hey! I ran a small POC project using discourse and really enjoyed it, there were a few UX / workflow related things that needed fixing but over all the community really enjoyed using it.

softinio 11y ago

I think its time to just move to using atom. To me its ahead of Sublime now. Its clear that Sublime is no longer being developed as a priority like it used to.

bossx 11y ago
How is the performance on Atom these day? When I tried it a few months back it took a while to start up, and to load large files.
- cfontes 11y ago
  Same for me, dropped it on spot because of those issues. It was very very slow, 6 months ago.
- softinio 11y ago
  When atom first came out and i tried I said no thank you as it genuinely was painfully slow. I have been using atom now full time for 3 weeks and gave it another chance as I love a lot of the plugins it has and the community and I am very impressed. Regarding its slowness it has improved a lot. The only complaint I have with its speed compared to a native app like sublime is that it is slow in starting. This doesn't affect me much as when I am working on a project I leave it open all the time anyway :-) Give it a try and get some of the useful plugins and you will never look back.
- gladimdim 11y ago
  Visual Code is much faster than Atom but Sublime is still way faster. I have not seen great speed improvement last year in Atom :-(
- jsheard 11y ago
  Start-up and creating a new window can still take a good 3 seconds on my machine. Visual Studio (the huge IDE, not VS Code) is actually faster to start most of the time.
arc0re 11y ago
The only problem I have with Atom and siblings like VSCode is that they are way slower than native software (like Emacs or Sublime). So I'm waiting for editors like 4coder to come to life

manaskarekar 11y ago

Just going to throw one of my favorite editors out there. http://www.jedit.org/ http://www.jedit.org/ Very customizable, very nice font rendering, healthy plugin ecosystem and tons of themes, lots of shortcuts and features, GPL v2 license. I use this at work and home. I love vim, but I haven't mastered it more than I have jEdit. I am taking a shot in the dark but I'm guessing the lack of popularity is due to it being dependent on the jvm. It's a non-issue for me.

bigtunacan 11y ago

A huge portion of value with any of these text editors come from plugins and ubiquity. Over the years I have seen text editors come and go as the new "one true editor", but only Vim and Emacs have had true staying power. Back when it was hot (some of you are probably too young to remember this) I used jEdit. It is still around and gets some maintenance updates from time to time (http://www.jedit.org/ http://www.jedit.org/), but the plugin ecosystem has languished so you better be ready to roll your own. With Vim and Emacs (Vim for me) I can trust it to go anywhere I want to be. If I'm ssh-ing into a Redhat 5 production server needing to do an emergency fix at 3 in the am Vim is there for me. And when I need syntax support or any plugin under the sun, that is available as well. Vim is also blazingly fast compared to Atom (the latest fad) which is sluggish by comparison. Sublime seems to be falling into that sunsetting stage the same as jEdit Just my 2 cents.

ryannevius 11y ago
I'm not sure I understand what your comment has to do with Sublime...but in any case, Sublime does have a very active plugin ecosystem: https://packagecontrol.io/ https://packagecontrol.io/
- eswat 11y ago
  From OP… > Sublime seems to be falling into that sunsetting stage the same as jEdit
- bigtunacan 11y ago
  I thought my points were fairly clear. 1) Vim and Emacs are already on your production servers so a large number of people have to use them anyway so that's extra mental overhead. 2) Sublime development is languishing this will eventually lead to a stalled plugin pipeline and the need to learn a new tool or write your own plugins. 3) Stick with a tool that you can have a level of faith will still be well supported for the next 20 years.
  - oldmanjay 11y ago
    Not all of us are stuck in the cult of the editing paradigm of the 70s despite the fervent mistaken belief that it is objectively superior.

elementalest 11y ago

I really like sublime text, i have considered buying it several times. I go to the buy page and see the price tag - $70 US! Nope. Given the very slow and infrequent development and the fact that its just a text editor (albeit a fancy one), i really can't justify the price. I would consider buying if it was receiving regular updates (bug fixes, new features, etc) and had a bit of certainty with its future. But really, if it was priced around $20, i would have bought it ages ago - and if it hadn't then, I'd buy it now.

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fuj 11y ago
Nice excuse for being cheap. Is Sublime unstable or lacking any major feature? Why the pressure of getting more regular updates if there's not anything critical missing. On the contrary, it has a lot of features, there's a massive eco system of plugins for it. Do you use Sublime for work? If so, you should pay for it. Any other excuse is just you, being cheap. $70 is nothing for it offers.
- kedean 11y ago
  He's not saying "I would never pay for a text editor, that's ridiculous!", he's saying $70 is just a little steep for a text editor. What exactly is it offering that makes it worth $70 vs something more reasonable? Panic's Coda is priced similarly, but it also offers a lot of web-dev targeted features that other editors either don't provide or only provide less user-friendly plugins for When you strip out plugins made by someone who isn't getting a cut of that $70, what are the tangible features Sublime has over the glut of free editors out there?
lewiseason 11y ago
But then again, how many bugs have you found? And with it's rich plugin ecosystem, what features are sorely missing? For something I'm going to have my face in for hours each day, every day, $70 seems pretty reasonable. (Partially playing devil's advocate here, as I use vim much more than Sublime)

jrochkind1 11y ago

Why the heck doesn't he stop calling 3 'beta'? Many people are being led by the naming and web page instructions to install 2, only to find that 3 'beta' is really the one everyone in the know is using, and that plugins are being developed for.

alex_duf 11y ago
well I'm using the version 2 precisely because the 3rd is marked "beta". So yeah I would appreciate an official release.
- jbrooksuk 11y ago
  I've used the 3dev builds since they were first released and have zero complaints with stability. Sometimes there is a regression introduced, but it's fixed almost immediately.
- _jdams 11y ago
  I believe you'll have great results with Sublime Text 3, why don't you give it a try this weekend? It's extremely stable and I haven't had any issues with it!
- coldtea 11y ago
  Were you also not using Node because it was called 0.xx?
  - fweespeech 11y ago
    Yes. Also, there really was never a compelling reason to know node if you already had the skillset to use a language besides javascript.
  - jrochkind1 11y ago
    Dude, you go to the SublimeText web page, and it leads you to download ST2. There's no way to know 'everyone' is really using ST3 beta except if you learn it from a social network. Yes, if I go to a website for a product I haven't used before, and there's a big download link for X.0 version, and a link somewhere else on some other page for x+1.0.beta, I'm going to download the X.0 even if I _do_ find that other page.

bluedino 11y ago

Atom is so slow it's a sideshow. It also has the problem of jEdit and Komodo, not a native app so they greatly reduce battery life on laptops. Just because Sublime's developer isn't updating it as much as he used to doesn't mean anything. What more could you want? The community hasn't stopped with plugin development which is what really counts. This just reminds me of the consumer software mindset where a new version needs to come out every year, just for the sake of it. There's nothing wrong with using 'old' software that just works.

melling 11y ago
Then you apply an exponential curve and one day the much larger development community and Moore's Law push Atom past Sublime. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth Note, I own Sublime and still use it. However, I do see great value in the Atom project. Developers shouldn't fall in love with an editor. Key bindings perhaps. The ideal editor would let me turn it into vim or Emacs, for example.
- kuschku 11y ago
  > The ideal editor would let me turn it into vim or Emacs, for example. You mean like vim-mode is already existing in every editor worth to be called editor?
  - melling 11y ago
    No, I mean an editor that allows you to build a complete vim with macros, for example. The source for vim wouldn't be in C and you could implement plugins like EasyMotion. https://github.com/easymotion/vim-easymotion https://github.com/easymotion/vim-easymotion
    - Luc 11y ago
      Atom's pretty good for that, or am I misunderstanding you? https://github.com/atom/vim-mode https://github.com/atom/vim-mode https://github.com/leny/atom-easy-motion-redux https://github.com/leny/atom-easy-motion-redux

YngwieMalware 11y ago

Sublime is a great editor. I purchased Sublime many years ago and improved my ability to work. Now I'm using Atom because I like the way it looks, it does everything I need it to do, and while it may be slow to open, I leave it open anyway so it's not really an issue for me (note: Of course I want everything to be as fast as possible). That said, I still support Sublime and would still even buy the upgrade to the new version if it ever comes out.

ddingus 11y ago

Please build for the Pi. I want to buy another license. Thanks.

nikolay 11y ago

This broke my Material theme - the project tree is now white.

georgehaake 11y ago

I installed textmate 2 for S and Gs. I have to say it is elegantly impressive. Many not all of the bundles many would need. My only gripe I miss it on Linux. Sublime Text ubiquitous nature is a big attraction in this regard.