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Small flaw though. It only runs on OS-X. I might give it a shot if they decide to support linux. Note: I was being sarcastic when I said small.

by Fuxy 11y ago

fweespeech 11y ago
That honestly isn't a small flaw if you are building a note/documentation application of any kind. The ability to share it is too valuable to use anything that can't be used on all platforms.
- amelius 11y ago
  Indeed. Why not make it web-based in the first place? (Also, why is this specific to programmers?)
  - toni 11y ago
    Here's a weekend project idea: Shiver, a web-based Quiver port which reads/writes in the same data format :)
    - nine_k 11y ago
      Weekend? I suspect quite a few of them to produce a relatively polished app.
  - marssaxman 11y ago
    If it were web-based in the first place, I'd be complaining about that instead!
jason_slack 11y ago
They make their data format public, so a Linux app could be built.
wernercd 11y ago
It's a small flaw... compared to not being on Windows. I like the concept, but it's a non-starter while it's not available on... I don't know... the largest platform.
- jason_slack 11y ago
  <i>I like the concept, but it's a non-starter while it's not available on... I don't know... the largest platform</i> It is slightly unfair to complain about what platforms a developer chooses to publish his/her work on. Perhaps they have been a long term Apple user? Perhaps they don't know anything about Windows development. Windows may be the largest, but there are so many good apps and developers making a living off the smaller platforms. This doesn't make using their apps a "non-starter".
  - npizzolato 11y ago
    > This doesn't make using their apps a "non-starter". I don't think the parent meant a "non-starter" in general. This app seems really awesome, but I primarily develop on Windows, so it's a non-starter for me, which is really too bad. I was really excited looking through the page until I noticed it was only on OS X. That and I'd prefer my electronic notebook to be available on my phone as well, so that's another reason I wouldn't use it. But if this ever comes out for Windows/Android, I'd definitely be excited to try it out.
    - jason_slack 11y ago
      I understand what you are saying. I re-read the parent post and it sure does seem that is exactly what the post says. There are so many platforms available. I don't think apps would ever get released (or companies started) if for people to adopt them they had to be out for every desktop and mobile platform. That is unreasonable. Get something out there and iterate on it. I prefer not to use my phone and tablet for stuff like this. It forces me to pay attention to it more than I wold like because I am carrying the device. I force myself to take breaks from work by not having work stuff on my phone. If one of my co-workers really wants me, they have my phone number.
giancarlostoro 11y ago
I'm sold on it, but with it being OS X I cannot use it for a good while, until they port it. Hoping they do.
jballanc 11y ago
Based on the fact that they are using ACE to edit code cells and MathJax to render Latex, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that a large chunk of the app is written using web technologies, and porting to Windows/Linux should be relatively straight-forward.
- nine_k 11y ago
  It also might mean that the entire thing is relatively heavyweight. Yes, I have a few gigs of RAM on my laptop — but this RAM is needed for other apps, too.
  - dangoor 11y ago
    It likely does use webviews, but it seems way lighter than an Electron app. It certainly isn't packaging Chromium given the size.
  - dunham 11y ago
    It starts up under 50MB with the built in notebook. Scrolling around between notes (with images) and starting a new notebook, I managed to get it up to 150MB (and then back down, so no strong evidence of memory leaks). Not a huge deal to me for an app of this functionality at this point in time. (I do remember being able to run X11 + Netscape in 16MB, though.)
shock 11y ago
I use Zim on Linux. When I saw the Quiver screenshots I thought "hey, this is very similar to Zim!"
- nextos 11y ago
  Can you compare this to org-mode? Any advantages / disadvantages?
  - a-saleh 11y ago
    I don't know if you can compare ANYTHING to org-mode :P But it is a small program, gtk gui (I think), it is WYSIWYG, has lots of plugins (calendar, todo, tex equations) and it is a Wiki. Even the calendar plugin is mostly a helper to create note-pages with the date as their title.

Small flaw though. It only runs on OS-X. I might give it a shot if they decide to support linux. Note: I was being sarcastic when I said small.

by Fuxy 11y ago

Small flaw though. It only runs on OS-X. I might give it a shot if they decide to support linux. Note: I was being sarcastic when I said small.

fweespeech 11y ago

That honestly isn't a small flaw if you are building a note/documentation application of any kind. The ability to share it is too valuable to use anything that can't be used on all platforms.

amelius 11y ago
Indeed. Why not make it web-based in the first place? (Also, why is this specific to programmers?)
- toni 11y ago
  Here's a weekend project idea: Shiver, a web-based Quiver port which reads/writes in the same data format :)
  - nine_k 11y ago
    Weekend? I suspect quite a few of them to produce a relatively polished app.
- marssaxman 11y ago
  If it were web-based in the first place, I'd be complaining about that instead!

jason_slack 11y ago

They make their data format public, so a Linux app could be built.

wernercd 11y ago

It's a small flaw... compared to not being on Windows. I like the concept, but it's a non-starter while it's not available on... I don't know... the largest platform.

jason_slack 11y ago
<i>I like the concept, but it's a non-starter while it's not available on... I don't know... the largest platform</i> It is slightly unfair to complain about what platforms a developer chooses to publish his/her work on. Perhaps they have been a long term Apple user? Perhaps they don't know anything about Windows development. Windows may be the largest, but there are so many good apps and developers making a living off the smaller platforms. This doesn't make using their apps a "non-starter".
- npizzolato 11y ago
  > This doesn't make using their apps a "non-starter". I don't think the parent meant a "non-starter" in general. This app seems really awesome, but I primarily develop on Windows, so it's a non-starter for me, which is really too bad. I was really excited looking through the page until I noticed it was only on OS X. That and I'd prefer my electronic notebook to be available on my phone as well, so that's another reason I wouldn't use it. But if this ever comes out for Windows/Android, I'd definitely be excited to try it out.
  - jason_slack 11y ago
    I understand what you are saying. I re-read the parent post and it sure does seem that is exactly what the post says. There are so many platforms available. I don't think apps would ever get released (or companies started) if for people to adopt them they had to be out for every desktop and mobile platform. That is unreasonable. Get something out there and iterate on it. I prefer not to use my phone and tablet for stuff like this. It forces me to pay attention to it more than I wold like because I am carrying the device. I force myself to take breaks from work by not having work stuff on my phone. If one of my co-workers really wants me, they have my phone number.

giancarlostoro 11y ago

I'm sold on it, but with it being OS X I cannot use it for a good while, until they port it. Hoping they do.

jballanc 11y ago

Based on the fact that they are using ACE to edit code cells and MathJax to render Latex, I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that a large chunk of the app is written using web technologies, and porting to Windows/Linux should be relatively straight-forward.

nine_k 11y ago
It also might mean that the entire thing is relatively heavyweight. Yes, I have a few gigs of RAM on my laptop — but this RAM is needed for other apps, too.
- dangoor 11y ago
  It likely does use webviews, but it seems way lighter than an Electron app. It certainly isn't packaging Chromium given the size.
- dunham 11y ago
  It starts up under 50MB with the built in notebook. Scrolling around between notes (with images) and starting a new notebook, I managed to get it up to 150MB (and then back down, so no strong evidence of memory leaks). Not a huge deal to me for an app of this functionality at this point in time. (I do remember being able to run X11 + Netscape in 16MB, though.)

shock 11y ago

I use Zim on Linux. When I saw the Quiver screenshots I thought "hey, this is very similar to Zim!"

nextos 11y ago
Can you compare this to org-mode? Any advantages / disadvantages?
- a-saleh 11y ago
  I don't know if you can compare ANYTHING to org-mode :P But it is a small program, gtk gui (I think), it is WYSIWYG, has lots of plugins (calendar, todo, tex equations) and it is a Wiki. Even the calendar plugin is mostly a helper to create note-pages with the date as their title.