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Jade, Node.js template engine, is being forced to rename due to trademark
- niftylettuce 11y agoAlso I just got http://jadeworld.org http://jadeworld.org and am going to make a parody site out of it, then post it on Hacker News here for upvotes.
- ceduic 11y agoAre childish provocations like these really a good idea when the authors of Jade wanted to avoid a law suit?
- nickpsecurity 11y agoThat's funny. I'm old enough remember them as a 4GL company and solution. I passed on them specifically because they were tied to Windows platform. Others, like Omni and WINDEV, could do multiplatform already. Most market share went to database-style ones like PROGRESS and INFORMIX. Funny to see they're fighting for the trademark when even most 4GL users didn't give a shit about their product. What a lame company.
- damianknz 11y agoI miss 4GL (and Vim) (and Christchurch).
- nickpsecurity 11y agoHaha. WINDEV is actually going fairly strong by 4GL standards for today's environment. Still buggy as hell with All Features No QA focus per forum comments. Yet, they're still doing good on ease-of-use, all-in-one, RAD concept. I remember seeing that making a web app Ajax was basically a checkbox and then re-generates it. A modern solution like that applying good QA and what we've learned in tooling/language design would still be a good thing I think. Especially considering all the lay people out there relying on Excel, VB6, etc. Could raise them up a bit with right design.
- jayess 11y agoIt's easy to take five minutes to search the online US trademark database before settling on a name. Of course that's not exhaustive, but it would have avoided this situation.
- skrebbel 11y agoOnly the US trademark database?
- Takizawa 11y agoJade Software shows up as dead in that database. Hmmm.
- themartorana 11y agoThis seems rather important.
- wldlyinaccurate 11y agoJade Software are a New Zealand-based company. They've been around for decades.
- tjholowaychuk 11y agoI'm not from America, the project originated in Canada. I'm not seeing it in our DB (unless I'm searching wrong). Time for a foundation maybe? Sucks that open-source contributors have to pay for stuff like this.
- niftylettuce 11y agoTM law doesn't apply here to this bully. Not competing. The customers of Jade Software will not be confused. Don't give in to this BS.
- rolfvandekrol 11y agoQuoting from the link: "Do we really have to change the name? Yes. The stress of pursuing this through the courts would be too high. I would much rather focus my efforts on writing great software, and supporting the people who use pug." You can't expect an OSS project to fight this kind of bullies in court. Yes, they are bullies, but sometimes giving in to BS is the best option.
- djsumdog 11y agobut at least wait for them to take you to court. There are lawyers out there who will write an angry letter back. The FSF might even have people who will take this up.
- niftylettuce 11y agoI just purchased jadesoftware.org and jadelang.net. They can have fun fighting me now too. See https://github.com/pugjs/jade/issues/2231 https://github.com/pugjs/jade/issues/2231
- niftylettuce 11y agoPushing up the sites now (editing CNAMES), will comment again here and on GH issue when they're up.
- cdcarter 11y agoThe maintainers (in their FAQ) specifically said they don't want to fight this. They're ready to move on and keep working on the project they love. Don't make their life harder.
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- ChuckMcM 11y agoHeh, way back I got a letter from them too. I was talking about an integrated Java Application Development Environment (JADE) at the time. It was sort of a unikernel with all the Java system classes compiled into code and only the application classes (policy) being interpreted by the JVM.
- niftylettuce 11y agohttp://jadeworld.org http://jadeworld.org, http://jadelang.net http://jadelang.net, and http://jadesoftware.org http://jadesoftware.org are now live. The name Jade for a templating language is not going away anytime soon, at least for my usage.
- Cyph0n 11y agoGood job! The open-source community cannot let trolls like this win so easily. Now we need to push them up the search rankings.
- rodgerd 11y agoHow thre fuck is a company that's existed before most posters on HN were born a "troll"?
- Cyph0n 11y agoTroll as in attacking an open source project that is very unrelated just because of a similar name.
- saurik 11y agoThe company in question seems to be a software company that develops a programming language called JADE. These usages are not "very unrelated" and the name is "the same", not "similar".
- jessaustin 11y agoThe "Jade" of which anyone has ever heard has been around for over five years. What took these people so long to file suit? How long does it take to constitute a failure to police one's trademark?
- tjholowaychuk 11y ago
- Mizza 11y agoTotal nonsense. Legal "threats" are just that - threats. They're not legally binding in anyway. It costs nothing to send them, but gives lawyers a way to manufacture some billable time. Send these to /dev/null and never think twice about them.
- niftylettuce 11y agoIt's up. http://jadeworld.org/ http://jadeworld.org/ I also just posted a Show HN at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11002843 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11002843 for this.
- smaili 11y ago400 Bad Request
- krisdol 11y agoThis was unexpected and hilarious. I literally laughed out loud. Good work
- niftylettuce 11y agoThanks to this traffic generated, their site went down. https://i.imgur.com/8Its1a2.png https://i.imgur.com/8Its1a2.png
- nmalaguti 11y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20160128220329/https://www.jadeworld.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20160128220329/https://www.jadew...
- tjholowaychuk 11y agoBest thing ever hahah
- biot 11y agoThat agreement he's being asked to sign is worrying. Either don't sign it or, if you must, ensure it contains wording to the effect of removing all references will be done on a good faith, best-effort basis. Otherwise, one missed mention could expose you to liability.
- jessaustin 11y agoYeah it's a bad idea to just sign random shit that random assholes send. Certainly one has no duty to so. In this case the assholes are not even in the same hemisphere as these maintainers. Having already harvested the bad PR involved in the name change, how likely is it that they'll spend five figures to get any sort of lawsuit going? It's not as though signing this makes a lawsuit less likely anyway.
- ryanlol 11y agoWhat does jadeworld even do? I'd go to their website to find out but it seems to be down...
- diegorbaquero 11y agoNo no no. Fight them. We are more.
- tjholowaychuk 11y agoSuch a joke. Good luck to that company, they can come over to Canada and sue me as well, one person isn't solely responsible for a project so that's unfair to pin it on Forbes. I've never even heard of their lame product, make yourself look really bad, that will help! Also (our) Jade has been around for many many years, do they really have the legal grounds to do this now?
- wldlyinaccurate 11y agoI'm really disappointed to see this happening. Studying computer science in Christchurch, New Zealand made Jade Software a well-known name to me. They've never been a modern or progressive company, but I used to respect them for their successes. Now I just feel like they're letting themselves and a big OSS community down with this petty trademark dispute. Bad form, Jade.
- djsumdog 11y agoI use to work for an OSS company in Wellington. I can only imagine the crazy garbage going around the company e-mail list over this. (When Microsoft and Cyanogen partnered on some things, people there went ape shit).
- vortico 11y agoHow will this affect the npm packages which depend on Pug/Jade? Will Jade be a metapackage which only depends on pug?
- jpambrun 11y agoTo be fair, I was rather confused when reading the title. I tough the original JADE was being sued. Now most Google results are related to new JADE lang. Obviously, there is a trademark issue. The fact that HN seems to like this new JADE more should be irrelevant. I am surprised to witness such a biased reaction here.
- dang 11y agoOk, let's add "Node.js template engine" to the title. That's the project's self-description at https://github.com/pugjs/jade https://github.com/pugjs/jade. We also changed "lawsuit" to "trademark" in the title, since it's not clear that there's a lawsuit and it is clear that there's a trademark.
- jpambrun 11y agoThe title is much clearer now. However, the need for such adjustments sort of support the argument that the orignal JADE trademark needs to be enforced in order to prevent confusion.
- niftylettuce 11y agoSee https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11004716 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11004716, hope they try to enforce that.
- jpambrun 11y agoI saw what you did. I don't think it is particularly productive nor mature. Aside from that, I don't care enough about either JADEs to contribute further to the debate. Edit: I meant productive in the context of the current litigation. I am not supporting any side in this argument. I am, however, supporting the right of the JADE company to try to enforce their trademarks.
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- i386 11y agoI'm worried about how many people here seem to have a (at best) tenuous understanding of the trademark system. My new programming language will be called "nodes".