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Here is a comparison table with Parse, Firebase, CouchDB and others for easy reference: http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html#comparison-with-oth

Here is a comparison table with Parse, Firebase, CouchDB and others for easy reference: http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html#comparison-with-other-solutions http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html#compari...

merqurio 11y ago
Great! We were thinking on moving to CouchDB. Do you know if they have any client side code, like PouchDB ¿?
- moonchrome 11y ago
  > Offline-first JavaScript client > Python client from here : http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html
- jchrisa 11y ago
  If you move to the Couch ecosystem, you'll also have the option to use Couchbase Lite for iOS, Android, .NET, etc. As well as Sync Gateway which has dynamic fine grained permissions. Of course the whole ecosystem is open source under the Apache license. Info on the mobile clients http://developer.couchbase.com/mobile http://developer.couchbase.com/mobile
  - s_kilk 11y ago
    What's the Couch ecosystem look like these days? I poked around with CouchDB over the Christmas holiday but it seemed kinda dead. Is Couchbase still going strong?
    - jchrisa 11y ago
      Yes see the other comments here and the comments on the Parse announcement. Couchbase Mobile is being used by major airlines as well as General Electric. And a bunch of start ups and other brands.
    - sagelywizard 11y ago
      It's quite active, though most development is going into the 2.0 release (which adds things like clustering). Here's the alpha if you're interested. https://couchdb-ci.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/release-candidate/apache-couchdb-2.0.0-a18004d.tar.gz https://couchdb-ci.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/release-candid...
      - s_kilk 11y ago
        Cool, is there an ETA on 2.0? I remember not being able to find much of a roadmap when I was doing this evaluation, but that's probably just my fault.
        sagelywizard 11y ago
        Don't think there's an ETA, but there's a list of issues which are blocking the release. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2932?jql=project%20%3D%20COUCHDB%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%202.0.0%20AND%20priority%20%3D%20Blocker%20AND%20status%20%3D%20Open https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2932?jql=proje... FWIW, it shouldn't be difficult to upgrade from 1.x to 2.0 as you'll be able to replicate from a single-node database to a clustered database.
- bugmen0t 11y ago
  https://github.com/Kinto/kinto.js/ https://github.com/Kinto/kinto.js/
- auvrw 11y ago
  check out http://hood.ie http://hood.ie for a client-side api backed by couch
amelius 11y ago
They list "Fine-grained permissions", but AFAICT, they don't support custom (programmable) permission rules. Is that correct?
- ametaireau 11y ago
  That's correct. Permissions apply on a matrix of {buckets, collections, records} x {read, write, create}.
- chrstphrhrt 11y ago
  I'd like to point out that Ramses (http://ramses.tech http://ramses.tech) has these abilities: https://nefertari-guards.readthedocs.org/en/stable/acl_filtering.html https://nefertari-guards.readthedocs.org/en/stable/acl_filte... Looks like we need to start marketing better :)
JulianMorrison 11y ago
One thing that possibly could be added to that comparison: rethinkdb.
- tehbeard 11y ago
  Rethink doesn't have a native http API though (as in for frontend/clients, I know it has an admin UI over http)
scoot 11y ago
Meteor Livequery / DDP should really be on that list. https://www.meteor.com/livequery https://www.meteor.com/livequery
devsquid 11y ago
Does it really compare to Parse tho? Like one of the amazing things about Parse was how easy it was for a nub to pick up. (I know from first hand exp)
boulos 11y ago
It seems like you should update self-hostable for Parse. They did such a good job that one of our guys in Developer Relations put up https://cloud.google.com/nodejs/resources/frameworks/parse-server https://cloud.google.com/nodejs/resources/frameworks/parse-s... with instructions in just a few hours (mostly writing it up).
chatmasta 11y ago
That's not a very fair comparison. The table is missing almost all of the features that make parse so great. Parse is easy to use on any platform. There is a parse SDK for android, iOS, JavaScript, C... The focus of parse as a product is usability for devs. Kinto may have parity with parse features in terms of technical details, but the usability is not even close.
lisivka 11y ago
PouchDB is missing. It is implementation of CouchDB but in javascript, for both client side (as in-browser database) and server side (as replacement for CouchDB). PouchDB + CouchDB are great, especially with Mongo-like queries.

merqurio 11y ago

Great! We were thinking on moving to CouchDB. Do you know if they have any client side code, like PouchDB ¿?

moonchrome 11y ago
> Offline-first JavaScript client > Python client from here : http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html
jchrisa 11y ago
If you move to the Couch ecosystem, you'll also have the option to use Couchbase Lite for iOS, Android, .NET, etc. As well as Sync Gateway which has dynamic fine grained permissions. Of course the whole ecosystem is open source under the Apache license. Info on the mobile clients http://developer.couchbase.com/mobile http://developer.couchbase.com/mobile
- s_kilk 11y ago
  What's the Couch ecosystem look like these days? I poked around with CouchDB over the Christmas holiday but it seemed kinda dead. Is Couchbase still going strong?
  - jchrisa 11y ago
    Yes see the other comments here and the comments on the Parse announcement. Couchbase Mobile is being used by major airlines as well as General Electric. And a bunch of start ups and other brands.
  - sagelywizard 11y ago
    It's quite active, though most development is going into the 2.0 release (which adds things like clustering). Here's the alpha if you're interested. https://couchdb-ci.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/release-candidate/apache-couchdb-2.0.0-a18004d.tar.gz https://couchdb-ci.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/release-candid...
    - s_kilk 11y ago
      Cool, is there an ETA on 2.0? I remember not being able to find much of a roadmap when I was doing this evaluation, but that's probably just my fault.
      - sagelywizard 11y ago
        Don't think there's an ETA, but there's a list of issues which are blocking the release. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2932?jql=project%20%3D%20COUCHDB%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%202.0.0%20AND%20priority%20%3D%20Blocker%20AND%20status%20%3D%20Open https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2932?jql=proje... FWIW, it shouldn't be difficult to upgrade from 1.x to 2.0 as you'll be able to replicate from a single-node database to a clustered database.
bugmen0t 11y ago
https://github.com/Kinto/kinto.js/ https://github.com/Kinto/kinto.js/
auvrw 11y ago
check out http://hood.ie http://hood.ie for a client-side api backed by couch

amelius 11y ago

They list "Fine-grained permissions", but AFAICT, they don't support custom (programmable) permission rules. Is that correct?

ametaireau 11y ago
That's correct. Permissions apply on a matrix of {buckets, collections, records} x {read, write, create}.
chrstphrhrt 11y ago
I'd like to point out that Ramses (http://ramses.tech http://ramses.tech) has these abilities: https://nefertari-guards.readthedocs.org/en/stable/acl_filtering.html https://nefertari-guards.readthedocs.org/en/stable/acl_filte... Looks like we need to start marketing better :)

JulianMorrison 11y ago

One thing that possibly could be added to that comparison: rethinkdb.

tehbeard 11y ago
Rethink doesn't have a native http API though (as in for frontend/clients, I know it has an admin UI over http)

scoot 11y ago

Meteor Livequery / DDP should really be on that list. https://www.meteor.com/livequery https://www.meteor.com/livequery

devsquid 11y ago

Does it really compare to Parse tho? Like one of the amazing things about Parse was how easy it was for a nub to pick up. (I know from first hand exp)

boulos 11y ago

It seems like you should update self-hostable for Parse. They did such a good job that one of our guys in Developer Relations put up https://cloud.google.com/nodejs/resources/frameworks/parse-server https://cloud.google.com/nodejs/resources/frameworks/parse-s... with instructions in just a few hours (mostly writing it up).

chatmasta 11y ago

That's not a very fair comparison. The table is missing almost all of the features that make parse so great. Parse is easy to use on any platform. There is a parse SDK for android, iOS, JavaScript, C... The focus of parse as a product is usability for devs. Kinto may have parity with parse features in terms of technical details, but the usability is not even close.

lisivka 11y ago

PouchDB is missing. It is implementation of CouchDB but in javascript, for both client side (as in-browser database) and server side (as replacement for CouchDB). PouchDB + CouchDB are great, especially with Mongo-like queries.