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Yeah, and it's too bad horses don't exist anymore. Oh wait. They are fine. They're just not used as constant slave labor all the time anymore, much like human

Yeah, and it's too bad horses don't exist anymore. Oh wait. They are fine. They're just not used as constant slave labor all the time anymore, much like human labor.

okcgwv 11y ago
microwave lasagne - i.e. Findus beef lasagne containing 100% horse meat (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21375594 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21375594) perhaps due to cheaper horse price due to European banning horse-drawn carts on roads (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1578965/Horses-left-to-starve-after-Romania-bans-carts.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1578965/Horses-lef...)
monknomo 11y ago
Those that weren't turned to dogfood. I'm fairly certain we have a considerably reduced population of horses
- vectorjohn 11y ago
  So what? We don't need as many. It doesn't make life any worse (in fact, probably better) for the ones we have now. Those pre-industrial-revolution horses would have been dead by now of old age if not turned into dog food.
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  - infinite8s 11y ago
    That's the whole point of the parent argument. What do we do with people who's work output we don't need anymore?
    - vectorjohn 11y ago
      We don't do anything. We'll have to take care of them, which is where things like a basic income help. It won't happen all at once instantly, and it's not like our only option is to grind them into soylent green. Horses may get turned into food, but that's because they're horses and not people. We eat animals, so it's not very compelling to say "oh no, we ate all the horses or turned them into glue". Who cares. The point is there are horses now and there will probably continue to be horses. Many of them with a life of mostly leisure and good care instead of being worked to death. Sounds good to me.
      - monknomo 11y ago
        As long as we're all clear that you're arguing for a significantly reduced human population, I guess I don't have anything to add. I'm pessimistic that the transition between our current populous life of toil and this idyllic future will be peaceful or pleasant.

Yeah, and it's too bad horses don't exist anymore. Oh wait. They are fine. They're just not used as constant slave labor all the time anymore, much like human labor.

okcgwv 11y ago

microwave lasagne - i.e. Findus beef lasagne containing 100% horse meat (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21375594 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21375594) perhaps due to cheaper horse price due to European banning horse-drawn carts on roads (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1578965/Horses-left-to-starve-after-Romania-bans-carts.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1578965/Horses-lef...)

monknomo 11y ago

Those that weren't turned to dogfood. I'm fairly certain we have a considerably reduced population of horses

vectorjohn 11y ago
So what? We don't need as many. It doesn't make life any worse (in fact, probably better) for the ones we have now. Those pre-industrial-revolution horses would have been dead by now of old age if not turned into dog food.
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- infinite8s 11y ago
  That's the whole point of the parent argument. What do we do with people who's work output we don't need anymore?
  - vectorjohn 11y ago
    We don't do anything. We'll have to take care of them, which is where things like a basic income help. It won't happen all at once instantly, and it's not like our only option is to grind them into soylent green. Horses may get turned into food, but that's because they're horses and not people. We eat animals, so it's not very compelling to say "oh no, we ate all the horses or turned them into glue". Who cares. The point is there are horses now and there will probably continue to be horses. Many of them with a life of mostly leisure and good care instead of being worked to death. Sounds good to me.
    - monknomo 11y ago
      As long as we're all clear that you're arguing for a significantly reduced human population, I guess I don't have anything to add. I'm pessimistic that the transition between our current populous life of toil and this idyllic future will be peaceful or pleasant.