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I would hope so. It's kind of their job. They've also published guides for strong encryption and best practices for operating systems for years. You dismiss

by micah94 11y ago

I would hope so. It's kind of their job. They've also published guides for strong encryption and best practices for operating systems for years. You dismiss their wealth of knowledge at your peril. The FBI just wants to throw you in jail. What do they publish? Lists of people they want to throw in jail. Anything that stands in their way of throwing you in jail is bad, including your encrypted phone.

spacecowboy_lon 11y ago
That is the problem with the FBI doing ordinary police work and secret squirrel stuff the two roles get in each others way.
- mst 11y ago
  Right. When I try and figure out how to compare the FBI to british law enforcement I end up with "MI5 smashed together with Special Branch plus SOCA plus a bunch of other specialist bits" ... and I'm pretty sure if we'd done that it'd've been an unmitigated disaster just the same. It was notable that there was a very brief "scandal" that MI5 had found evidence of child molestation but ignored it because they'd only found it via their ability to ignore due process in the name of national security and therefore since the information wasn't a national security issue it was filed under "not usable". Cooler heads pointed out repeatedly that that was how it had to work to preserve due process, and it didn't stay news for long; this was, to me, the correct outcome. (of course GCHQ is a whole different kettle of fish)
  - walshemj 11y ago
    And if you read the official history of MI5 the one time an ex police man was put in charge didn't go well - and that's the official history which is going to be circumspect. The FBI should have been reorganised along with the secret service and BATF after hoover died into two organisations one doing MI5 s role and one as a federal police force.
    - fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
      I think the FBI should have been burned to the ground after what Hoover used it for.
nickik 11y ago
We know that they publish stuff with backdoors included. We know that they payed RSA to build backdoors into their crypto. Their is a very good reason that SHA3 is not designed by the NSA. Yes you can learn from them, both from their published stuff and even more from how they attacked people.

by micah94 11y ago

spacecowboy_lon 11y ago

That is the problem with the FBI doing ordinary police work and secret squirrel stuff the two roles get in each others way.

mst 11y ago
Right. When I try and figure out how to compare the FBI to british law enforcement I end up with "MI5 smashed together with Special Branch plus SOCA plus a bunch of other specialist bits" ... and I'm pretty sure if we'd done that it'd've been an unmitigated disaster just the same. It was notable that there was a very brief "scandal" that MI5 had found evidence of child molestation but ignored it because they'd only found it via their ability to ignore due process in the name of national security and therefore since the information wasn't a national security issue it was filed under "not usable". Cooler heads pointed out repeatedly that that was how it had to work to preserve due process, and it didn't stay news for long; this was, to me, the correct outcome. (of course GCHQ is a whole different kettle of fish)
- walshemj 11y ago
  And if you read the official history of MI5 the one time an ex police man was put in charge didn't go well - and that's the official history which is going to be circumspect. The FBI should have been reorganised along with the secret service and BATF after hoover died into two organisations one doing MI5 s role and one as a federal police force.
  - fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
    I think the FBI should have been burned to the ground after what Hoover used it for.

nickik 11y ago

We know that they publish stuff with backdoors included. We know that they payed RSA to build backdoors into their crypto. Their is a very good reason that SHA3 is not designed by the NSA. Yes you can learn from them, both from their published stuff and even more from how they attacked people.