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Unfortunately most people appear to struggle with seeing how things like this could affect them

pbhjpbhj 11y ago
Does it really affect "most people". Sure, the potential effect is there - you commit a crime and they'll check your phone records and whatever to catch you and your associates but beyond that? Most people use their phones to talk about pretty banal things.
- bediger4000 11y ago
  Sure, but "most people" aren't going to actually have the data collected on them examined. Just rising young party stars, perhaps. Or civil rights and environmental activists. Or the CEOs of companies that are competing with friends of the head of GCHQ. Do those people talk about banal things? Do those people talk about illegal things? Do those people talk about embarassing things? Honestly, the issue here isn't "most people's" banal talk. The effects of having such a huge cache of data on hand to get "leverage" on key people that the GCHQ doesn't like is the issue.
  - pbhjpbhj 11y ago
    Exactly, it's not most people but key people - ergo "most people" don't care.
- BrockSamson 11y ago
  The thing is laws change, what is permitted today may not be tomorrow. So yes today this may not affect most people, does that mean we should allow for laws today that could undermine democracy in the future? Also do you really think criminals will use a protocol authored by GCHQ?
  - pbhjpbhj 11y ago
    >Also do you really think criminals will use a protocol authored by GCHQ? // Criminals use Facebook. Not all criminals are intelligent. But the sort of criminals that GCHQ is after, probably not. That said Tor is used by criminals and that was developed by DARPA I gather.
- ntucker 11y ago
  In addition to the general principle that your government shouldn't be collecting dirt on its constituents, there's also the very real possibility that back doors will eventually be exploited by bad guys and reduce everyone's security. Even if you think you don't have anything to hide from the government, you probably have plenty of stuff you want to hide from criminals.
eternalban 11y ago
I am certain nearly everyone gets it. Their parents went along to get along and so will their children. People apparently need a written sign in the washroom to remind them to wash their hands. Keep that in mind.
- dingaling 11y ago
  > People apparently need a written sign in the washroom to remind them to wash their hands. Keep that in mind. That's actually a liability limitation exercise; if employees and attendees are prompted to wash their hands, their employer has less liability for effects of contamination.

Does it really affect "most people". Sure, the potential effect is there - you commit a crime and they'll check your phone records and whatever to catch you and your associates but beyond that? Most people use their phones to talk about pretty banal things.

bediger4000 11y ago
Sure, but "most people" aren't going to actually have the data collected on them examined. Just rising young party stars, perhaps. Or civil rights and environmental activists. Or the CEOs of companies that are competing with friends of the head of GCHQ. Do those people talk about banal things? Do those people talk about illegal things? Do those people talk about embarassing things? Honestly, the issue here isn't "most people's" banal talk. The effects of having such a huge cache of data on hand to get "leverage" on key people that the GCHQ doesn't like is the issue.
- pbhjpbhj 11y ago
  Exactly, it's not most people but key people - ergo "most people" don't care.
BrockSamson 11y ago
The thing is laws change, what is permitted today may not be tomorrow. So yes today this may not affect most people, does that mean we should allow for laws today that could undermine democracy in the future? Also do you really think criminals will use a protocol authored by GCHQ?
- pbhjpbhj 11y ago
  >Also do you really think criminals will use a protocol authored by GCHQ? // Criminals use Facebook. Not all criminals are intelligent. But the sort of criminals that GCHQ is after, probably not. That said Tor is used by criminals and that was developed by DARPA I gather.
ntucker 11y ago
In addition to the general principle that your government shouldn't be collecting dirt on its constituents, there's also the very real possibility that back doors will eventually be exploited by bad guys and reduce everyone's security. Even if you think you don't have anything to hide from the government, you probably have plenty of stuff you want to hide from criminals.

eternalban 11y ago

I am certain nearly everyone gets it. Their parents went along to get along and so will their children. People apparently need a written sign in the washroom to remind them to wash their hands. Keep that in mind.

dingaling 11y ago
> People apparently need a written sign in the washroom to remind them to wash their hands. Keep that in mind. That's actually a liability limitation exercise; if employees and attendees are prompted to wash their hands, their employer has less liability for effects of contamination.