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The current situation reminds me a lot of the time when Firefox replaced Internet Explorer as the most popular browser. And of the time when Chrome replaced Fir

by wemysh 11y ago

The current situation reminds me a lot of the time when Firefox replaced Internet Explorer as the most popular browser. And of the time when Chrome replaced Firefox as the most popular browser. Currently there is only one Bitcoin implementation. And the developers a) refuse to implement what users want. And b) implement bloat that users dont't want. So Bitcoin will "break up" in a similar way the WWW "broke up" when new browsers were introduced. It's a good thing.

JohnTHaller 11y ago
Internet Explorer is still the most popular browser among users worldwide. Chrome is the most popular browser among certain techies. Chrome is also popular among users tricked into installing it via forced bundleware with Java updates, free antivirus engine updates, and (ironically) Flash plugin downloads for Firefox.
- PhasmaFelis 11y ago
  Just like IE is popular among users tricked into installing it via forced bundleware with Windows?
  - reitanqild 11y ago
    Microsoft was forced to include the browser choice thing for a few years in Europe. I wish someone would take a closer look at how Google push Chrome as well.
- bhousel 11y ago
  Oh hi 2012, what are you doing here?
- pbhjpbhj 11y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Summary_tables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Su...
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    - pbhjpbhj 11y ago
      Wikimedia and US Gov I'd expect to be pretty representative of web users in the USA as a whole. They both show Chrome with a considerable lead. However I purposefully didn't try to interpret the stats there to allow people to make their own mind up. If the "Net Applications" stats are correct then any insight as to why IE users visit Wikimedia sites so seldom?
      - JohnTHaller 11y ago
        I removed the post as I thought we were talking about desktop only. IE is used far more at work whereas Chrome, safari, Firefox et al are used more on personal devices. You'll actually see a rise in ie use during the business day if you track hourly on many sites.
- JohnTHaller 11y ago
  Apologies. I'd skimmed this earlier and thought we were only talking about desktop browser share instead of overall.
rntz 11y ago
The WWW's fundamental job is not to establish consensus. It is to communicate information. Incompatible changes to the web and incompatible changes to the bitcoin protocol have very different significance.
- wemysh 11y ago
  different significance Citation needed. Its not as if somebodies coins will suddenly become worthless. Bitcoin has a lot of actors. Users, investors, miners, exchanges, shops... And everybody will have some hassle with a fork. Just like on the WWW where there are webmasters, webdesigners, users, browser vendors, shops... And every has some hassle with browser compatibility.
  - rntz 11y ago
    > Its not as if somebodies coins will suddenly become worthless. I think this is in fact the nightmare scenario that some folks are worried about. I agree with you it's unlikely to happen, because it's in very few people's interests, but I think that the degree of danger is exactly what's causing people to try so vigorously to find ways to co-operate on this matter. And it's true that browsers also have incentive toward compatibility. But the fact is, despite this incentive, browsers remain in many ways incompatible. And for the most part, nobody notices, because minor incompatibilities in browsers do not "fork" the web the same way an incompatibility in bitcoin protocol forks the blockchain.
datapat 11y ago
>The current situation reminds me a lot of the time when Firefox replaced Internet Explorer as the most popular browser. And of the time when Chrome replaced Firefox as the most popular browser. Firefox never replaced IE as the most popular browser and to this day has never been the most popular web browser. And regardless of whether Bitcoin will break up for whatever reason, it is not analogous to the Internet or the Web; you don't do yourself any favours making such comparisons.

by wemysh 11y ago

JohnTHaller 11y ago

Internet Explorer is still the most popular browser among users worldwide. Chrome is the most popular browser among certain techies. Chrome is also popular among users tricked into installing it via forced bundleware with Java updates, free antivirus engine updates, and (ironically) Flash plugin downloads for Firefox.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago
Just like IE is popular among users tricked into installing it via forced bundleware with Windows?
- reitanqild 11y ago
  Microsoft was forced to include the browser choice thing for a few years in Europe. I wish someone would take a closer look at how Google push Chrome as well.
bhousel 11y ago
Oh hi 2012, what are you doing here?
pbhjpbhj 11y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Summary_tables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers#Su...
- deleted 11y ago
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  - pbhjpbhj 11y ago
    Wikimedia and US Gov I'd expect to be pretty representative of web users in the USA as a whole. They both show Chrome with a considerable lead. However I purposefully didn't try to interpret the stats there to allow people to make their own mind up. If the "Net Applications" stats are correct then any insight as to why IE users visit Wikimedia sites so seldom?
    - JohnTHaller 11y ago
      I removed the post as I thought we were talking about desktop only. IE is used far more at work whereas Chrome, safari, Firefox et al are used more on personal devices. You'll actually see a rise in ie use during the business day if you track hourly on many sites.
JohnTHaller 11y ago
Apologies. I'd skimmed this earlier and thought we were only talking about desktop browser share instead of overall.

rntz 11y ago

The WWW's fundamental job is not to establish consensus. It is to communicate information. Incompatible changes to the web and incompatible changes to the bitcoin protocol have very different significance.

wemysh 11y ago
different significance Citation needed. Its not as if somebodies coins will suddenly become worthless. Bitcoin has a lot of actors. Users, investors, miners, exchanges, shops... And everybody will have some hassle with a fork. Just like on the WWW where there are webmasters, webdesigners, users, browser vendors, shops... And every has some hassle with browser compatibility.
- rntz 11y ago
  > Its not as if somebodies coins will suddenly become worthless. I think this is in fact the nightmare scenario that some folks are worried about. I agree with you it's unlikely to happen, because it's in very few people's interests, but I think that the degree of danger is exactly what's causing people to try so vigorously to find ways to co-operate on this matter. And it's true that browsers also have incentive toward compatibility. But the fact is, despite this incentive, browsers remain in many ways incompatible. And for the most part, nobody notices, because minor incompatibilities in browsers do not "fork" the web the same way an incompatibility in bitcoin protocol forks the blockchain.

datapat 11y ago

>The current situation reminds me a lot of the time when Firefox replaced Internet Explorer as the most popular browser. And of the time when Chrome replaced Firefox as the most popular browser. Firefox never replaced IE as the most popular browser and to this day has never been the most popular web browser. And regardless of whether Bitcoin will break up for whatever reason, it is not analogous to the Internet or the Web; you don't do yourself any favours making such comparisons.