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For me personally, support for W7&8 has ended months ago when they tried to sneak in the same privacy invading updates that infest windows 10. Windows update ha

by revanx_ 11y ago

For me personally, support for W7&8 has ended months ago when they tried to sneak in the same privacy invading updates that infest windows 10. Windows update has been disabled since then, can't even install updates manually since I can no longer trust that the package does what the wiki page says.

arm 11y ago
Damn, yeah, same for me actually. After I found out that Microsoft was including that crap in updates for Windows 7 & 8, I also completely disabled Windows Update. It would be really nice if there was some site that kept an up-to-date database listing of all the KBXXXXXXX update numbers that include this crap (up-to-date being the key here since Microsoft actually renames old KBXXXXXXX numbers every once in a while to include the same crap the old KBXXXXXXX did).
- yuhong 11y ago
  Even Susan Bradley don't bother and simply recommends disabling the Diagnostic Tracking Service instead. It is not exactly the same as in Win10 BTW.
- Dylan16807 11y ago
  I don't think they rename them. They make a new version that unhides the update, but it keeps the same KB number.
  - arm 11y ago
    There have been some updates in the past that people are suspicious have been renumbered¹, although I suppose that without confirmation from Microsoft, we can’t say for sure. ―――――― ¹ — http://www.eightforums.com/windows-updates-activation/66805-update-kb3022345-renamed-kb3068708.html http://www.eightforums.com/windows-updates-activation/66805-...
- Silhouette 11y ago
  It would be really nice if there was some site that kept an up-to-date database listing of all the KBXXXXXXX update numbers Possibly of interest? https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/459263 https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/459263
frik 11y ago
For me too. With proprietary software it's all about trust. You can't trust Microsoft anymore. What they have done with recent Win7/8 security updates and Win10 is obscene and more than just shaddy business. Win10 also has hardcoded whitelisted domains and IPs in the kernel mode network code - the only way to avoid the phone home crap is to run in behind a thight hardware firewall (good luck with a notebook/tablet/phone). Only with the expensive LTSB license the admin can deactivate all the bad elements of Win10. With Win10, the user is the product. How dare you! Why do they get away with this? No other operating system is such a trainwreck, not even close. Why is Microsoft such a mean company?
Maarten88 11y ago
> Windows update has been disabled since then That does not seem very smart to me. I think personally that Microsoft is adding telemetry to make Windows more secure and compete with Apple and Google who do the same. But if you don't trust it, it seems better no not use it at all.
- tdkl 11y ago
  Google has no desktop PC OS. Apple offers options in the settings to opt-out and doesn't change those with an update.
  - Maarten88 11y ago
    Google has something way more powerful than a desktop OS: Android devices know your every move, everyone you know, all your communication, etc. These devices are packed full with sensors and know way more about you than a desktop ever can. They send all that home, by default, for a big chunk of the world's population, yet this is perceived very differently than what Microsoft does.
    - tdkl 11y ago
      The topic is about the desktop PC. Yes all this is somehow true, yet they offer an opt-out in Settings that doesn't change with updates behind your back. I'm sure you'll understand by now what I'm pointing at with recent MS practices.
      - Maarten88 11y ago
        The topic is Windows. Windows is not only a desktop OS anymore. The exact same code (since a few weeks even the same build numbers) is running Windows Phone and Windows tablets too. This is what is causing the issues that the OP is about: new hardware (both x86 and ARM) comes with new features in power management and virtualization (i.e. connected standby) which Windows needs to abstract and they find it too hard/risky to backport the OS and driver changes to every device now running Windows 7.
    - 11y ago
mariusmg 11y ago
If you disable Windows Update, you're dumb. Either re-enable it or stop using Windows altogether.

by revanx_ 11y ago

arm 11y ago

Damn, yeah, same for me actually. After I found out that Microsoft was including that crap in updates for Windows 7 & 8, I also completely disabled Windows Update. It would be really nice if there was some site that kept an up-to-date database listing of all the KBXXXXXXX update numbers that include this crap (up-to-date being the key here since Microsoft actually renames old KBXXXXXXX numbers every once in a while to include the same crap the old KBXXXXXXX did).

yuhong 11y ago
Even Susan Bradley don't bother and simply recommends disabling the Diagnostic Tracking Service instead. It is not exactly the same as in Win10 BTW.
Dylan16807 11y ago
I don't think they rename them. They make a new version that unhides the update, but it keeps the same KB number.
- arm 11y ago
  There have been some updates in the past that people are suspicious have been renumbered¹, although I suppose that without confirmation from Microsoft, we can’t say for sure. ―――――― ¹ — http://www.eightforums.com/windows-updates-activation/66805-update-kb3022345-renamed-kb3068708.html http://www.eightforums.com/windows-updates-activation/66805-...
Silhouette 11y ago
It would be really nice if there was some site that kept an up-to-date database listing of all the KBXXXXXXX update numbers Possibly of interest? https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/459263 https://voat.co/v/technology/comments/459263

frik 11y ago

For me too. With proprietary software it's all about trust. You can't trust Microsoft anymore. What they have done with recent Win7/8 security updates and Win10 is obscene and more than just shaddy business. Win10 also has hardcoded whitelisted domains and IPs in the kernel mode network code - the only way to avoid the phone home crap is to run in behind a thight hardware firewall (good luck with a notebook/tablet/phone). Only with the expensive LTSB license the admin can deactivate all the bad elements of Win10. With Win10, the user is the product. How dare you! Why do they get away with this? No other operating system is such a trainwreck, not even close. Why is Microsoft such a mean company?

Maarten88 11y ago

> Windows update has been disabled since then That does not seem very smart to me. I think personally that Microsoft is adding telemetry to make Windows more secure and compete with Apple and Google who do the same. But if you don't trust it, it seems better no not use it at all.

tdkl 11y ago
Google has no desktop PC OS. Apple offers options in the settings to opt-out and doesn't change those with an update.
- Maarten88 11y ago
  Google has something way more powerful than a desktop OS: Android devices know your every move, everyone you know, all your communication, etc. These devices are packed full with sensors and know way more about you than a desktop ever can. They send all that home, by default, for a big chunk of the world's population, yet this is perceived very differently than what Microsoft does.
  - tdkl 11y ago
    The topic is about the desktop PC. Yes all this is somehow true, yet they offer an opt-out in Settings that doesn't change with updates behind your back. I'm sure you'll understand by now what I'm pointing at with recent MS practices.
    - Maarten88 11y ago
      The topic is Windows. Windows is not only a desktop OS anymore. The exact same code (since a few weeks even the same build numbers) is running Windows Phone and Windows tablets too. This is what is causing the issues that the OP is about: new hardware (both x86 and ARM) comes with new features in power management and virtualization (i.e. connected standby) which Windows needs to abstract and they find it too hard/risky to backport the OS and driver changes to every device now running Windows 7.
  - 11y ago

mariusmg 11y ago

If you disable Windows Update, you're dumb. Either re-enable it or stop using Windows altogether.