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It seems to me that the throughput on the left side is faster - and therefore even if it were more spaced out (not the case in rush hour when it is almost as cr

It seems to me that the throughput on the left side is faster - and therefore even if it were more spaced out (not the case in rush hour when it is almost as crowded as the right side), the fact that people are moving faster and spending less time on it would make up for any difference.

edoloughlin 11y ago
From tfa: An escalator that carried 12,745 customers between 8.30 and 9.30am in a normal week, for example, carried 16,220 when it was designated standing only
- luchs 11y ago
  I don't quite understand how that works. Surely there wasn't a crowd of 3000 people at the bottom of the escalator when people were walking on the left? Where do the extra people come from?
  - mrchicity 11y ago
    Public transit in major cities is a set of complex queuing systems. If a station is slower getting people out, they will crowd on the platform and create "back-pressure" on the entire system as the crowd causes incoming trains to take longer to unload, people will see longer queues to enter the system so they'll be marginally more likely to take a cab or abandon their trip. So some of the 3000 people were literally standing on the platform, but many of them may have been new customers or time-shifted rides that didn't even exist before. All of this seems like a very micro optimization to eek out efficiency in peak throughput. The bigger macro problem is that transit is centered around sharp peaks due to inflexible work/life schedules. Moving everyone in London or New York around is tough enough, but doing it in a few hours each day is a nightmare and you have to massively overbuild infrastructure.
  - jon-wood 11y ago
    I used to use the station they trialed this in at rush hour frequently, and over the course of an hour I could believe 3,000 people ended up queueing for escalator space, which is compounded because people are trying to cross the standing queue to get to the right side and walk up. You've also got the flow of traffic from the down escalator doing the same thing. It sounds crazy, but Holborn really does have vast amounts of traffic in the morning and evening, frequently enough that they'd have to shut the gates until the platforms had cleared enough to fit more people in.
IshKebab 11y ago
No it isn't. Think about it, throughput isn't determined by how fast people are moving along the escalator. It's determined by how quickly they get onto and off the escalators. People get onto and off the right side more quickly simply because more people want to stand still. The results of the experiment prove that throughput on the left side is slower.

edoloughlin 11y ago

From tfa: An escalator that carried 12,745 customers between 8.30 and 9.30am in a normal week, for example, carried 16,220 when it was designated standing only

luchs 11y ago
I don't quite understand how that works. Surely there wasn't a crowd of 3000 people at the bottom of the escalator when people were walking on the left? Where do the extra people come from?
- mrchicity 11y ago
  Public transit in major cities is a set of complex queuing systems. If a station is slower getting people out, they will crowd on the platform and create "back-pressure" on the entire system as the crowd causes incoming trains to take longer to unload, people will see longer queues to enter the system so they'll be marginally more likely to take a cab or abandon their trip. So some of the 3000 people were literally standing on the platform, but many of them may have been new customers or time-shifted rides that didn't even exist before. All of this seems like a very micro optimization to eek out efficiency in peak throughput. The bigger macro problem is that transit is centered around sharp peaks due to inflexible work/life schedules. Moving everyone in London or New York around is tough enough, but doing it in a few hours each day is a nightmare and you have to massively overbuild infrastructure.
- jon-wood 11y ago
  I used to use the station they trialed this in at rush hour frequently, and over the course of an hour I could believe 3,000 people ended up queueing for escalator space, which is compounded because people are trying to cross the standing queue to get to the right side and walk up. You've also got the flow of traffic from the down escalator doing the same thing. It sounds crazy, but Holborn really does have vast amounts of traffic in the morning and evening, frequently enough that they'd have to shut the gates until the platforms had cleared enough to fit more people in.

IshKebab 11y ago

No it isn't. Think about it, throughput isn't determined by how fast people are moving along the escalator. It's determined by how quickly they get onto and off the escalators. People get onto and off the right side more quickly simply because more people want to stand still. The results of the experiment prove that throughput on the left side is slower.