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What's the age of the oldest physical artifact that is simultaneously personal, inheritable, and usable? Most are things that have a larger scale, gross appeal

What's the age of the oldest physical artifact that is simultaneously personal, inheritable, and usable? Most are things that have a larger scale, gross appeal, aren't personal. A water wheel, a stone bridge, a building. Perhaps a gun, or a watch, comes closest. Start with that and what would an heirloom computer look like? Somewhere on the continuum of abacus, slide rule. What's the computational era's equivalent? An HP-11, HP-12 series calculator? Sometimes I think: we're all making expendable shit.

keithpeter 11y ago
Brooches and rings. In UK in some families these will be passed down to couples marrying as a gesture of continuity. In Birmingham, we have a 'quarter' that has many small workshops that make and repair/alter jewellery. Some of the older companies have design patterns/dies going back to the Victorian era. I agree with your basic point: we all buy so much that is basically landfill.
- nascentmind 11y ago
  Fountain pens. I have some fountain pens come down to me from my mother's student era.
- Symbiote 11y ago
  I think we can go a fair bit older than that. The Imperial Regalia of Japan, if it still exists, is... really old. I can't find a date. The anointing spoon of the British crown jewels dates from the 12th century, and is still used [2]. If we don't need something to be in continual use, then bronze age jewellery, or stone age flint knives. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Regalia_of_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Regalia_of_Japan [2] https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/31733/the-coronation-spoon https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/31733/the-coro...
- pbhjpbhj 11y ago
  Ceramics and glassware can and do last generations. They're functional too but use is likely inverse proportional to longevity. Leather goods last well, I have my father's belt but it's not in a state to pass down further.
chc4 11y ago
I'm pretty sure a TI calculator fits the bill for tech heirloom. It's very basic, just an Z80 cpu and a small LCD display. It's rugged and can last. Even with being outdated tech, they sell for as much as when they first came out and could definitely be "inheritable". And, because it doesn't aspire to be a general purpose computer, just do some fancy math, it's not going to be outdated (unless you count ubiquitous cell phones)
tim333 11y ago
Stone knives 3.3 million years: http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2015/04/worlds-oldest-stone-tools-discovered-in.html http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2015/04/worlds-ol... Tutankhamun's metal ones from 3000 odd years ago look quite modern: https://www.google.com/search?q=Tutankhamun+knife&num=20&tbm=isch&imgil=UVi8pBmj1kIjHM%253A%253B3DL2pgf0tw-bbM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.treasurenet.com%25252Fforums%25252Fwhat-s-worth%25252F360046-tutankhamun-dagger-more-info.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=UVi8pBmj1kIjHM%253A%252C3DL2pgf0tw-bbM%252C_&biw=1093&bih=481&usg=__o4vtD5k-i2rOi9fGQQz4LEMBtn4%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiutY3e_a3KAhUWC44KHVMFDUMQyjcIJg&ei=eAiaVq6ZKZaWuATTirSYBA#imgrc=UVi8pBmj1kIjHM%3A&usg=__o4vtD5k-i2rOi9fGQQz4LEMBtn4%3D https://www.google.com/search?q=Tutankhamun+knife&num=20&tbm...
- kiiski 11y ago
  I'd say that knives can be either inheritable or usable, but not both. Like all tools they will be worn pretty quickly if used actively.
fsloth 11y ago
Pocket watches with a mechanical power source, if done properly last quite long. Rifles are functional for a long time as well. Knives. Jewelry.
sanoli 11y ago
The wedding band I wear was used by my grandfather (I wear it around my neck now, pain in the ass to remove it from my finger). I also have a 1961 mechanical watch that was a gift to my father from his brother-in-law, and now it's mine and it works perfectly good (mechanical watches, if serviced every 5 years or so, have an indefinite lifetime). Pocket knives also come to mind.
slantyyz 11y ago
>> Somewhere on the continuum of abacus, slide rule. What's the computational era's equivalent? An HP-11, HP-12 series calculator? I have my Dad's wooden abacus, which must be at least as old as I am (mid forties). It's obviously not Antiques Roadshow old, but as a child, I remember him using it for his bookkeeping instead of a calculator. He taught me how to use one, and as a kid, I got pretty quick at using it for simple arithmetic. Of course, once tape calculators (and calculators in general) got cheaper, he stopped using it altogether. If I had kids, it's definitely something I would pass on.
kybernetikos 11y ago
The novena is nearly unique with its FPGA, features for hardware hacking and expansions that let you use it like an oscilloscope or for software defined radio. It's supposed to be considered like a piece of bench equipment rather than a disposable main laptop, and it'll probably age similarly to bench equipment (i.e. much better than a basic laptop).
Gravityloss 11y ago
Stradivarius.

keithpeter 11y ago

Brooches and rings. In UK in some families these will be passed down to couples marrying as a gesture of continuity. In Birmingham, we have a 'quarter' that has many small workshops that make and repair/alter jewellery. Some of the older companies have design patterns/dies going back to the Victorian era. I agree with your basic point: we all buy so much that is basically landfill.

nascentmind 11y ago
Fountain pens. I have some fountain pens come down to me from my mother's student era.
Symbiote 11y ago
I think we can go a fair bit older than that. The Imperial Regalia of Japan, if it still exists, is... really old. I can't find a date. The anointing spoon of the British crown jewels dates from the 12th century, and is still used [2]. If we don't need something to be in continual use, then bronze age jewellery, or stone age flint knives. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Regalia_of_Japan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Regalia_of_Japan [2] https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/31733/the-coronation-spoon https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/31733/the-coro...
pbhjpbhj 11y ago
Ceramics and glassware can and do last generations. They're functional too but use is likely inverse proportional to longevity. Leather goods last well, I have my father's belt but it's not in a state to pass down further.

chc4 11y ago

I'm pretty sure a TI calculator fits the bill for tech heirloom. It's very basic, just an Z80 cpu and a small LCD display. It's rugged and can last. Even with being outdated tech, they sell for as much as when they first came out and could definitely be "inheritable". And, because it doesn't aspire to be a general purpose computer, just do some fancy math, it's not going to be outdated (unless you count ubiquitous cell phones)

tim333 11y ago

Stone knives 3.3 million years: http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2015/04/worlds-oldest-stone-tools-discovered-in.html http://archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com/2015/04/worlds-ol... Tutankhamun's metal ones from 3000 odd years ago look quite modern: https://www.google.com/search?q=Tutankhamun+knife&num=20&tbm=isch&imgil=UVi8pBmj1kIjHM%253A%253B3DL2pgf0tw-bbM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.treasurenet.com%25252Fforums%25252Fwhat-s-worth%25252F360046-tutankhamun-dagger-more-info.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=UVi8pBmj1kIjHM%253A%252C3DL2pgf0tw-bbM%252C_&biw=1093&bih=481&usg=__o4vtD5k-i2rOi9fGQQz4LEMBtn4%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiutY3e_a3KAhUWC44KHVMFDUMQyjcIJg&ei=eAiaVq6ZKZaWuATTirSYBA#imgrc=UVi8pBmj1kIjHM%3A&usg=__o4vtD5k-i2rOi9fGQQz4LEMBtn4%3D https://www.google.com/search?q=Tutankhamun+knife&num=20&tbm...

kiiski 11y ago
I'd say that knives can be either inheritable or usable, but not both. Like all tools they will be worn pretty quickly if used actively.

fsloth 11y ago

Pocket watches with a mechanical power source, if done properly last quite long. Rifles are functional for a long time as well. Knives. Jewelry.

sanoli 11y ago

The wedding band I wear was used by my grandfather (I wear it around my neck now, pain in the ass to remove it from my finger). I also have a 1961 mechanical watch that was a gift to my father from his brother-in-law, and now it's mine and it works perfectly good (mechanical watches, if serviced every 5 years or so, have an indefinite lifetime). Pocket knives also come to mind.

slantyyz 11y ago

>> Somewhere on the continuum of abacus, slide rule. What's the computational era's equivalent? An HP-11, HP-12 series calculator? I have my Dad's wooden abacus, which must be at least as old as I am (mid forties). It's obviously not Antiques Roadshow old, but as a child, I remember him using it for his bookkeeping instead of a calculator. He taught me how to use one, and as a kid, I got pretty quick at using it for simple arithmetic. Of course, once tape calculators (and calculators in general) got cheaper, he stopped using it altogether. If I had kids, it's definitely something I would pass on.

kybernetikos 11y ago

The novena is nearly unique with its FPGA, features for hardware hacking and expansions that let you use it like an oscilloscope or for software defined radio. It's supposed to be considered like a piece of bench equipment rather than a disposable main laptop, and it'll probably age similarly to bench equipment (i.e. much better than a basic laptop).

Gravityloss 11y ago

Stradivarius.