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The true risk isn't to the children who haven't had the vaccines, it's to the immunocompromised that are quite literally being murdered because of some parents

The true risk isn't to the children who haven't had the vaccines, it's to the immunocompromised that are quite literally being murdered because of some parents ignorance. It isn't the 16-65 age bracket that's being affected here, the immunodeficient can typically be any child under 16, any senior over 65, pregnant women, people with existing infections (even as simple as a cold) and those with HIV/AIDS. In my honest opinion, and this one is quite a rare one for me, this is a subject where the UK health services should take a page out of the US' book. MMR vaccines should be mandatory for attending school. This would place these parents in a serious catch 22, as home-education in the UK is exceptionally harder to do than in the US (as in it's virtually unheard of). It will place these parents in a position where they have a choice inoculation, segregation (no admission to public schools until immunisation) or prison (in the UK parents are fully responsible for placing their child into an educational institute and ensuring they attend, if they don't they can face jail time).

pbhjpbhj 17y ago
>home-education in the UK is exceptionally harder to do than in the US (as in it's virtually unheard of) It may well be harder in the UK, I'd be interested in the reasoning there, but I'd dispute that it's [virtually or actually] unheard of. I think you're being too tough here. Latest reports that I've looked at are that the Thiomersal used in vaccines that was associated with autism has been removed from US vaccines and that studies have since shown that there has been no corresponding decline in autism cases. In order to learn this though I had to do some research and look at some quite complex discussions. The US studies have not been popularised by the likes of the BBC that widely reported on the MMR controversy. Indeed I was studying the swine flu vaccine, http://alicious.com/2010/swine-flu-vaccine-safe/ http://alicious.com/2010/swine-flu-vaccine-safe/ , as we were offered it for our son. The NHS did have a very thorough FAQ on it. I'm still reticent about the swine-flu vaccine - they've probably had it (we all had a couple of flu like episodes in autumn-early winter), it's normally not severe, infections are declining, next season it will have mutated and this vaccine will likely provide no benefit AND most importantly this vaccine has not undergone the extensive testing that drugs normally do. We probably will have the vaccination as I have to trust our health care workers here. If we don't vaccinate and someone catches swine-flu from my son, him having nothing more than a sniffle, will I be a murderer in your eyes?
- warfangle 17y ago
  "...since shown that there has been no corresponding decline in autism cases." They've also seen no decline in autisim among the unimmunized. What's your point?
  - pbhjpbhj 17y ago
    That removing the factor, thought to have been causing autism to appear, did not change the incidences of autism appearing. Thus falsifying the initial hypothesis.

pbhjpbhj 17y ago

>home-education in the UK is exceptionally harder to do than in the US (as in it's virtually unheard of) It may well be harder in the UK, I'd be interested in the reasoning there, but I'd dispute that it's [virtually or actually] unheard of. I think you're being too tough here. Latest reports that I've looked at are that the Thiomersal used in vaccines that was associated with autism has been removed from US vaccines and that studies have since shown that there has been no corresponding decline in autism cases. In order to learn this though I had to do some research and look at some quite complex discussions. The US studies have not been popularised by the likes of the BBC that widely reported on the MMR controversy. Indeed I was studying the swine flu vaccine, http://alicious.com/2010/swine-flu-vaccine-safe/ http://alicious.com/2010/swine-flu-vaccine-safe/ , as we were offered it for our son. The NHS did have a very thorough FAQ on it. I'm still reticent about the swine-flu vaccine - they've probably had it (we all had a couple of flu like episodes in autumn-early winter), it's normally not severe, infections are declining, next season it will have mutated and this vaccine will likely provide no benefit AND most importantly this vaccine has not undergone the extensive testing that drugs normally do. We probably will have the vaccination as I have to trust our health care workers here. If we don't vaccinate and someone catches swine-flu from my son, him having nothing more than a sniffle, will I be a murderer in your eyes?

warfangle 17y ago
"...since shown that there has been no corresponding decline in autism cases." They've also seen no decline in autisim among the unimmunized. What's your point?
- pbhjpbhj 17y ago
  That removing the factor, thought to have been causing autism to appear, did not change the incidences of autism appearing. Thus falsifying the initial hypothesis.