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Lenovo Launches ThinkPad X1 Yoga at CES with OLED Display
- frik 11y agoWill Lenovo ever produce a high quality notebook again? All I want is a real "ThinkPad". Give me a proper T460 with 32GB RAM, IPS display, a recent Intel i7 CPU, replaceable batteries and the notebook body of the T410 or better the T60 or IBM ThinkPad T41.
- xendo 11y agoI think you are looking for T460p http://www.anandtech.com/show/9889/lenovo-refreshes-thinkpad-lineup-at-ces http://www.anandtech.com/show/9889/lenovo-refreshes-thinkpad...
- darklajid 11y agoThank you for that link. Now to convince management that a 3yo lowish T520 with a ~half-dead~ battery and constant thermal problems isn't exactly the best gear for your developers.. But at least I got time until February, until the T460p ships :)
- babby 11y agoHonestly I'd rather a t520 over this new Dell i7 e7450 latitude they have our developers using. The keyboard has... Fn key Home and End keys! Maximum cringe.
- sandGorgon 11y agoYou can invert that in the bios.
- frik 11y agoThanks for the pointer. It looks promising, except for the keyboard layout. WTF http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9889/T460.jpg http://images.anandtech.com/doci/9889/T460.jpg Can we please go back to IBM designed keyboard layout. The T410 had a very good keyboard, I want to keep such an layout :( I want my keys grouped together not such a mess. The F1-4, F5-F8, F7-F12 keys should be grouped. The Del, Home, Page Up/Down keys should be grouped. I want to be productive, not look at the keyboard the whole time... Edit: The T410 keyboard looked like this: http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-blhknq8/product_images/images/lenovo_t410_laptop_key.jpg http://cdn6.bigcommerce.com/s-blhknq8/product_images/images/...
- kitd 11y agoI have a W530 and it looks very similar to this layout (Return key is over 2 rows though).
- floatboth 11y agoUsually, European keyboards have the weirdly shaped enter/return key that's over 2 rows, and US keyboards have a single-row return key.
- mdellabitta 11y agoThat "weirdly shaped enter/return key" is an ISO standard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_9995 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_9995
- leaveyou 11y agoI really don't understand what is their logic when they place a full Print Screen key (which I use 10 times a year at most) right between the Alt and Ctrl but the arrow keys are smaller and crowded and Home and End (which I use every time I edit something) are not even on the keyboard (or maybe there is some unhandy Fn+ shortcut?). WTF ? I got used to Sony Vaio which has full arrow keys and a smaller shift and an additional column of keys "Del, Home, PgUp, PgDown and End and now they discontinued the brand... I'm doomed. http://postimg.org/image/yt3kpzarx/ http://postimg.org/image/yt3kpzarx/
- yoodenvranx 11y agoI'd love to have an updated T61 with a 1400*1050 (or a more high-res 4:3 display).
- pjmlp 11y agoI am quite happy with a W541.
- stadeschuldt 11y agoI wish Apple would do the same. Unfortunately there is no MacBook Pro with 32 GB RAM.
- jrcii 11y agoJust out of curiosity, what are you using that much RAM for? Video editing?
- odonnellryan 11y agoI've needed 16+ before for VMs!
- SSLy 11y agoFirefox.
- jimktrains2 11y agoPlaying around with large datasets?
- TeMPOraL 11y ago16GB for browser, 16GB for that Java IDE, and you're done. Don't forget to have an SSD as a backup RAM if you're using IntelliJ ;).
- userbinator 11y agoOther features they definitely need to add back before I'll consider buying another ThinkPad: - Non-chiclet keyboard with decent layout - HDD and network activity indicator lights - Hardware wireless-off switch - Latching lid They certainly don't need to make it any thinner -- I've had to carry some Macbooks around and the sharp edges are not very hand-friendly. I think 1" throughout is about right for a laptop thickness.
- dingo_bat 11y ago>HDD and network activity indicator lights I never understood the point of removing these. I think it may just be cutting costs, trying to save a few cents on the custom shape LEDs.
- toomanybeersies 11y agoWith SSDs and the density of network traffic these days, both indicator lights are pretty much obsolete. Your HDD activity light would never be on, and the network activity light would constantly be on.
- anc84 11y agoYou could simply normalise them to not be constantly on then.
- icebraining 11y agoAs an user of a X201 with an SSD, that's not really the case, the differences of blinking rate are noticeable.
- dogma1138 11y agoAHCI and NVMe don't support this type of activity polling so I don't have a clue what your X201 bases the HDD usage off but it's really not the old IDE standard LED blinking, which makes me thing it's either faked intentionally or the same thing that will happen if you plug in a modern SATA to a motherboard with HDD activity monitoring it will just blink erratically regardless of what is actually happening. modern SATA drives doesn't matter if they are still mechanical or SSD's don't work the same, your OS doesn't work the same when you save a file it doesn't mean that it's being written that moment, it can be in RAM, it can be in your HDD's cache or it can be written down. HDD activity LED's haven't been doing anything real for over a decade now...
- Aoyagi 11y agoTech people trust Chinese companies nowadays?
- tudorw 11y agotech people trust no one :)
- JoshTriplett 11y ago> replaceable batteries Have you ever seen the inside of a modern Ultrabook? Pretty much the entire inside of the case is packed with battery cells, with only a tiny sliver near the hinge used by the system board. People comfortable opening the case and moving around a pile of tiny components and connectors could replace it, but I don't see any obvious way to make such a battery modular.
- totalrobe 11y agoYeah, the current thinkpads with modular batteries have tiny capacity, unless you get the extended one that sticks out the back.
- frik 11y agoI don't want an ultrabook. These slim cases and low-energy CPU are in fact slower than my 5 years high end old notebook. I want a new ThinkPad T series, a business class high end notebook.
- JoshTriplett 11y ago> I don't want an ultrabook. Then don't buy the ThinkPad X1 series, which includes this newly announced model.
- totalrobe 11y agoDid you see the retro concept they were throwing around? Very curious to see if anything will come of this. http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-time-machine
- bitwize 11y agoNothing will come of it. The ThinkPad's target audience was business users and geeks. Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age.
- totalrobe 11y agoThinkpad still has a pretty hardcore following among linux users..
- bitwize 11y agoLinux users are statistical noise in the user base. If they're the only ones seriously interested, Lenovo management will look at the numbers and decide it's just not worth it. Hey, maybe someone can Kickstart a 3D-printed retro ThinkPad case for modern laptop system boards.
- totalrobe 11y agoIn the US, yes. My understanding that desktop linux is rather popular in asia, russia, and eastern europe, and I've seen that lenovo offers thinkpads with linux pre-installed outside the US.
- ekianjo 11y ago> Both of whom favor MacBooks in this day and age. So you probably live in California or something. The rest of the world keeps using Lenovo Thinkpads just fine. Just look at their sales figures, they are not losing ground by droves or something. Macs are no replacement for Thinkpads in any way.
- irremediable 11y agoWhat do people use in place of the ThinkPad now? Are there any especially good and rugged current laptop models? I'm not looking to buy, but I had to advise relatives lately, and it made me realise that I don't know what the ThinkPad's successor is.
- nickik 11y agoThe ThinkPads are still the best. Just not as good as they used to be.
- pjc50 11y agoIf they did, would you buy it, forgiving them for the Superfish debacle?
- ivl 11y agoThe Superfish debacle never really affected ThinkPad users. It was just on their lower end home user laptops.
- frou_dh 11y agoBoy, I wish my ThinkPad X200s came with an IPS panel. I got the 'high res' screen option (1440x900@12") and the viewing angle is woeful. Using it even in a perfectly optimal position, washout/shift is still noticeable at either the top or bottom of the screen. In my book, including a garbage-spec panel disqualifies a computer from being a quality product no matter what range it is otherwise part of. Sadly this is (was?) all too common.
- ue_ 11y agoCould you not swap it for an IPS panel? I've been thinking of getting an IPS panel for my x220, and I've seen people replacing them. I don't know if it's possible on x220s though.
- frou_dh 11y agoLooked into it some time ago and I think there was something about having the no-webcam, beefed-up-wifi-antenna option that made it difficult.
- tertius 11y agoI have the same one, with the high end CPU (2.13GHz) and panel. I'm waiting for a refresh, the X260 may be an option. I've given it a 256GB SSD, 8GB RAM. And while I like the resolution on a 12", I often try to adjust the angle of the display while working because the viewing angle is so bad and I think it may just be off, only to find out that it's just not that bright.
- kozukumi 11y agoT420s user here, the TN panels Lenovo used a few years ago are shockingly bad. I am still looking forward to getting a fanless ThinkPad. A laptop with zero moving parts is my dream. I tried an Asus UX305FA last year but the Core-M is a little lacking still, I am hoping in a generation or two we will be there :)
- legulere 11y agoI don't know why people still insist on a hot-swappable battery today. They used to make sense when they lasted 3 hours and broke down after maybe one year of use. As long as it's not glued in or tugged away behind dozens of other components you can still easily change it with a screwdriver.
- bitwize 11y agoOh great. Now we can experience OLED burn-in on our notebook displays, too. And since the thing is freakin' glued together, good luck repairing it.
- TeMPOraL 11y agoScreensavers are about to have a comeback. Who would have thought?
- dingo_bat 11y agoNew gen OLEDs like the one in Samsung S6 do not have any significant burn-in. If this thinkpad's display is sufficiently advanced, there won't be a problem. I do hope they are sourcing it from Samsung.
- Infinitesimus 11y agoThe s6's expected longevity (~2yrs per the contract model) is much smaller than the expected longevity of say, the average college students who buys this laptop for use in college. For the record, my Note 4 isn't showing any burn in after > 1yr of use, but who knows what it will be like 4 years down the line. A small number of users report burn-in on the newer s6/6p so I hope QC on the new Yogas will be tighter at the very least
- JoshTriplett 11y agoI would hope that the warranty covers such a defect.
- bitwize 11y agoMy Note 3 showed visible burn-in after about a year. That's why I don't trust amoled.
- batrat 11y agoI have mine for 2+ years, no burn-in. I guess it's about how is everyone is using and the panel used.
- mtgx 11y agoNow you can experience your connections being MITM'ed by Lenovo in OLED quality.
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- Aoyagi 11y agoAh, first step to consumer OLED PC screens maybe? I've been waiting for that for years already.
- bondia 11y agoI wonder why these devices don't have USB-C ports... :/
- jkot 11y agoI am using tablet with OLED screen for over two years now. It is great for video, but for text editing it does not have much advantages.
- refset 11y agoText editing in low-light conditions is pretty interesting, I find it's good for keeping focussed. OLED would definitely let me take this to the extreme.
- crudbug 11y agoMay be this is a wrong place for this, but I have to say this. I consider Thinkpad as Macbook Pros of PC world. Lenovo hasn't learnt any lesson, they are diluting the "THINK" brand. Having quality products in standard series like - T, W, & X will make better brand recognition. The prime example are this new Yoga and Thinkpad 13 models ?? The marketing team should take lessons. IHMO the Thinkpad line should have 3 series : 1. T Series (Regular) - T360 (13") / T460 (14") / T560 (15"). 2. W Series (Workstation) - W560 (15") / W760 (17") 3. X Series (Ultrabook) - X260 (12") / X360 (13") No Carbon, Yoga, TxxxP mumbo jumbo - just standard nomenclature. Anybody for Thinkpad C series for cellphones ? - C41 (4") / C51 (5")
- iphone7166 11y agoGreat job, Lenovo! To me there are only two laptop manufacturers in this world: thinkpad and macbook.