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Ah, schadenfreude at work: Pete Hoekstra: Obama Stopping Key Surveillance Programs Dec 11, 2015 Pete Hoekstra: New Spying Scandal Biggest of Obama's Presidenc
by HillRat 11y ago
Ah, schadenfreude at work:
Pete Hoekstra: Obama Stopping Key Surveillance Programs
Dec 11, 2015
Pete Hoekstra: New Spying Scandal Biggest of Obama's Presidency
13 hours ago
Not that Hoekstra is going to change his tune on surveillance; he just believes in the national security state for thee, not me. I've always felt that one of the more corrupt aspects of the UK security state was the exemption granted to Parliament from the kinds of intrusions other citizens lack protections against; now I expect Hoekstra and the other surveillance cheerleaders to try and carve out the same privileges for Congress.
- arethuza 11y agoI'm sure that neither GCHQ or the Security Service would dream of directly spying on their political masters - the NSA will be doing it and they'll get to share some of the results.
- jacquesm 11y ago> I'm sure that neither GCHQ or the Security Service would dream of directly spying on their political masters - the NSA will be doing it and they'll get to share some of the results. Well, only because they don't have to. I'm sure that they will be more than happy to provide the reverse service in return.
- mtgx 11y agoMost of the Congress/Parliament are not their "masters" per se, so why would they care? If I'm not mistaken Clapper has already admitted the NSA is "inadvertedly" spying on Congress, too, so clearly this isn't such a big issue for them as to not make it possible to spy on them even inadvertedly anymore.
- vidarh 11y ago> I've always felt that one of the more corrupt aspects of the UK security state was the exemption granted to Parliament from the kinds of intrusions other citizens lack protections against The Wilson doctrine was recently found by courts to not having any legal force [1]. As it should be, as it was just a promise made by the then Prime Minister, which was never put through parliament. What is more astonishing is that MPs have believed successive governments would adhere to it - and ensure the security agencies adhered to it - without the force of law. Astonishingly Theresa May then claimed in parliament that the Wilson Doctrine "remains unchanged". Which I guess is technically true, in that it has never actually applied, but at the same time it was double-speak of the highest order. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Doctrine#2015_Investigatory_Powers_Tribunal_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Doctrine#2015_Investiga...
- spacecowboy_lon 11y agoThere have been UK MP's caught spying John Stonehouse for one and recently the last mp for portsmouth had a much younger female GF from the former soviet block which raised a few eyebrows.
- pjc50 11y agoLet's not forget Wallis Simpson: http://www.lrb.co.uk/v10/n16/paul-foot/the-great-times-they-could-have-had http://www.lrb.co.uk/v10/n16/paul-foot/the-great-times-they-...