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Voluntary celibacy has been around for a long time. Isn't this just a modern version of that?

amyjess 11y ago
You'd think so, but then some MGTOWs will start talking about how they're finished associating with American women but will still consider dating Asian women because they want a "submissive" and "traditional" wife. It's creepy as fuck. (also, it's seriously racist: I've had Asian female friends my entire life, and none of them are "submissive" or "traditional"... I can't imagine any of them putting up with that shit)
Jtsummers 11y ago
Yes, but. They seem to be taking it to a greater extreme or encouraging people to, where they remove even female friendships and social contact from the table.
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  Even removing all contact with women isn't new.
  - Jtsummers 11y ago
    No. But it is extreme, and in the modern era in western countries (where these groups seem to be) really, really hard to pull off. I've been to Catholic monasteries in the US, plenty of women around most of them. Either working in the gift shops, volunteering with tasks needed around the monastery (often, the monks are aging and needing more help these days than in earlier eras). A totally cloistered existence is possible, but you're making a major sacrifice. Without a religious motivation I'm having a hard time imagining anyone making that commitment.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > Without a religious motivation I'm having a hard time imagining anyone making that commitment. As I understand, even the religious groups (including Catholic cloistered religious, which as you note most orders are not) that take isolation to more extreme levels -- of both genders -- tend to do a lot of work to filter out people whose motivations are not religious, so I don't think that a religious motivation is all that essential to choosing such a lifestyle (the typical non-religious motivations may turn out to usually be insufficient to staying with that choice, though...)
lambda 11y ago
Not really. This is more organized misogyny than voluntary celibacy. If you take a look at their forums, they are more concerned with criticism of women and feminism than celibacy.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > This is more organized misogyny than voluntary celibacy. Voluntarily celibacy and, especially, voluntary complete isolation from women have often been sold by organized groups with justifications that incorporate misogyny, so "organized misogyny" and "voluntary celibacy", while distinct, aren't completely independent. So, I don't think MGOTW is, even to the extent that it combines these things, particularly novel.
  - lambda 11y ago
    You're right, I don't think that it's particularly novel. Just that it seems the misogyny aspect of "MGOTW" is more important than the celibacy aspect.

You'd think so, but then some MGTOWs will start talking about how they're finished associating with American women but will still consider dating Asian women because they want a "submissive" and "traditional" wife. It's creepy as fuck. (also, it's seriously racist: I've had Asian female friends my entire life, and none of them are "submissive" or "traditional"... I can't imagine any of them putting up with that shit)

Jtsummers 11y ago

Yes, but. They seem to be taking it to a greater extreme or encouraging people to, where they remove even female friendships and social contact from the table.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago
Even removing all contact with women isn't new.
- Jtsummers 11y ago
  No. But it is extreme, and in the modern era in western countries (where these groups seem to be) really, really hard to pull off. I've been to Catholic monasteries in the US, plenty of women around most of them. Either working in the gift shops, volunteering with tasks needed around the monastery (often, the monks are aging and needing more help these days than in earlier eras). A totally cloistered existence is possible, but you're making a major sacrifice. Without a religious motivation I'm having a hard time imagining anyone making that commitment.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > Without a religious motivation I'm having a hard time imagining anyone making that commitment. As I understand, even the religious groups (including Catholic cloistered religious, which as you note most orders are not) that take isolation to more extreme levels -- of both genders -- tend to do a lot of work to filter out people whose motivations are not religious, so I don't think that a religious motivation is all that essential to choosing such a lifestyle (the typical non-religious motivations may turn out to usually be insufficient to staying with that choice, though...)

lambda 11y ago

Not really. This is more organized misogyny than voluntary celibacy. If you take a look at their forums, they are more concerned with criticism of women and feminism than celibacy.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> This is more organized misogyny than voluntary celibacy. Voluntarily celibacy and, especially, voluntary complete isolation from women have often been sold by organized groups with justifications that incorporate misogyny, so "organized misogyny" and "voluntary celibacy", while distinct, aren't completely independent. So, I don't think MGOTW is, even to the extent that it combines these things, particularly novel.
- lambda 11y ago
  You're right, I don't think that it's particularly novel. Just that it seems the misogyny aspect of "MGOTW" is more important than the celibacy aspect.