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LifePaint Safety Spray

60 points by davidbarker 11y ago

dexwiz 11y ago
Cool marketing, but not a novel idea. There a tons of similar products. I have been told that the paint only lasts 2-3 weeks WITHOUT washing the clothing. I am also hesitant to spray any nice fabric with it. Unless you are in a bind, just use a dedicated riding jacket with reflective fabric.
- amelius 11y ago
  I'm also concerned about the influence on the environment.
nemesisj 11y ago
To be honest, I was more impressed with their mission statement of "By 2020, no person will be killed or seriously injured by a Volvo". What an incredible goal! I hope they can achieve it.
- cwt137 11y ago
  They said "by" not "in". Half jokingly, that means by 2020, nobody will be hit by a Volvo car, but the people inside might still suffer injuries if involved in an accident. That can mean the car AI might sacrifice the car passengers to save a pedestrian or cyclist.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    Killing the passengers violates the "no person" part.
- BillinghamJ 11y ago
  Given how ahead-of-the-curve Volvo have been so far (e.g. outside air bags, automatic braking, etc.), I think they're well on track for that. While they seem to be thought of as an old soccer-mom type car company, I personally think of them very highly.
  - lbotos 11y ago
    I think the soccer mom image comes from their lack of "sport" focused cars. I looked at their lineup and saw nothing that looked "aggressive" or "sporty". All of the cars looked pretty even keel middle of the road "nice".
    - underwater 11y ago
      The V40 is a sporty looking hatch. Personally I think it looks amazing.
    - mytochar 11y ago
      I believe this was a change in the last maybe 10 years. Before the current line-up of S40's and S60's, their cars looked almost offensively boring (to me); and, with ugly faces. With the new S40's and S60's, I think they are downright pleasant to look at. This may be my perception of that particular coming out of an old generation of looks, and catching up to the current one, though.
    - semi-extrinsic 11y ago
      There are a couple of sporty offerings [1] from their in-house tuning company, Polestar (like AMG for Mercedes, etc.). And the 240 Turbo is still a entry-level rally favorite in Scandinavia. You can easily get 300 bhp, 50/50 weight distribution, manual shift and rear-wheel drive in a '94 model for about $6000, then spend about $1500 prepping it for the entry level rally class. (There is an even cheaper rally class called "Folkrally", where there is a rule to keep the cost down that says at the end of the race, anyone can offer to buy your car for $1700, and you're not allowed to refuse or you lose your rally licence.) [1] http://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/new-models/s60/s60-polestar http://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/new-models/s60/s60-polestar
    - chockablock 11y ago
      It could be argued that not building cars that look "aggressive" is a reflection of their culture of safety. In my view, driving on public roadways should be maximally safe (and thus deeply boring); if you want to treat driving as a sport, then head to a track. Disclaimer: I own a Volvo :)
- Justsignedup 11y ago
  I hope that achievement will be more than just "well, we put out the paint, but nobody used it!" they certainly need to go much further.
- johansch 11y ago
  This is one of those things that can start in a small country that happened to have relatively rational politicians and at the time, two car manufacturers - Volvo and Saab. And they all managed to work together towards a common goal. Saab Automobile is no more (sort of), but Volvo appears to be in a renaissance now that it's Chinese-owned (Geely) rather than American-owned (Ford). Ford sold Volvo to Geely in 2010, and since then Volvo has been working on their own platforms, first shipped in the new XC90. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Scalable_Product_Platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Scalable_Product_Platfor... More reading: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/nyregion/de-blasio-looks-toward-sweden-for-road-safety.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/nyregion/de-blasio-looks-t... "The result has been a sort of social contract between state and citizen: If residents follow the most basic traffic laws, engineers can design roads to guard against all fatalities." "'Design around the human as we are,' said Claes Tingvall, the director of traffic safety at the Swedish Transport Administration and a godfather of the Vision Zero plan." https://legacy.tispol.org/interview-room/written-interviews/professor-claes-tingvall-discusses-thinking-behind-vision-zero-tis https://legacy.tispol.org/interview-room/written-interviews/... (In-depth interview with Claes Tingvall.)
- bjornsing 11y ago
  > "By 2020, no person will be killed or seriously injured by a NEW Volvo" The way things have been going lately for Swedish car manufacturers it seems very likely they'll achieve that goal, by simply going out of business before 2020.
  - mh8h 11y ago
    Volvo's new XC90 got stellar reviews, and is selling well. And apparently they are redesigning the whole product line using their new product platforms [0]. I don't think they are going away any time soon. [0] http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/by-2018-volvos-oldest-vehicle-could-be-the-all-new-xc90/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/by-2018-volvos-oldest-vehi...
herbig 11y ago
Of course being more visible is going to be safer for you, but let's not let this put even more of the burden of safety on the bicyclist. If this catches on, riding at night without it will be considered as dumb as riding without a helmet, when really nothing is going to protect you from a two ton metal deathtrap coming at you at 20 mph or above. No criminality suspected.
- Piskvorrr 11y ago
  The only difference from the rest of reflective stuff (armbands, pedals, wheel wire wraps) is the ad-hoc nature of the stuff. Me, I'll stick to the traditional reflective strips (plus lights). The real issue is this: the protective elements are already widely available (to cyclists and pedestrians alike) and cheap - how is this more attractive to the current unlit and dark-clad "ninjas" than existing alternatives? In other words, the product might be useful to people who already do use other safety elements - how is this aimed at the ones who don't?
  - herbig 11y ago
    Yeah, I agree. The only thing this has is being new and "cool." To me, it's just more inconvenient than wearing traditional stuff. Bright blinking lights are the best way to increase visibility, and many people (in NYC at least) don't even bother with those.
    - fennecfoxen 11y ago
      Naah. High-visibility fluorescent yellow cycling jackets or similar attire are better ways: your body is a large blob that is much easier to notice than a little blinking light, especially if you're going along areas where there are lots of other light sources competing for the driver's attention. But there's no reason you shouldn't go for both, of course.
- mytochar 11y ago
  My biggest trouble with cyclists at night, as a driver, has always been the ones that don't have any lights on their bike. Sometimes the reflectors don't even reflect very brightly (or aren't present). When a bike is all lit up, I have no trouble seeing and reacting appropriately to them. I'm probably not a typical driver, though.
ck2 11y ago
They've been doing this to deer antlers for years now http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/20/280220511/these-reindeer-really-do-glow-and-its-for-their-own-good http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/20/280220511/...
ZenoArrow 11y ago
Just in case anyone is interested in getting some, Volvo LifePaint is believed to be a rebranding of an existing product: Albedo100 Invisible Bright. Should be easy enough to buy some. http://www.wired.com/2015/03/lifepaint-reflective-paint/ http://www.wired.com/2015/03/lifepaint-reflective-paint/
buro9 11y ago
I run a cycling forum in London and a Volvo dealer recently approached us to advertise this and offer it for free for some cyclists to try. Whilst we don't do advertising at all, and whilst this isn't for me I thought the free offer may be something people wanted to take up so I asked. The response was loud and clear: Cyclists see this as victim blaming. As a way to externalise responsibility away from the operator of a multi-tonne vehicle to the operator of a 10kg pedal bicycle. Of those who replied, most were angry that things have already got to the point whereby even wearing high-vis, helmets and having very capable lights... one of the first lines in any newspaper report on a cyclist being involved in a road traffic incident remains "the cyclist was wearing a helmet and a high-vis jacket". No mention of whether the lights of a vehicle are in working order, or the driver was paying attention and looking for other road users. In fact, the onus seems to be wholly on the cyclist to be a beacon. If a cyclist is hit by a vehicle, then the cyclist is presumed to be at fault if an overwhelming amount of evidence cannot be immediately proffered showing how visible the cyclist was. That was kind of the thing that made me not want to try it either, but others found the words a hell of a lot better than I and there was real anger there. All that said, Volvo have taken the unique stance of saying that they as a company will take responsibility for incidents where the cause was one of their automatic driving systems. For that they deserve considerable praise, but for this paint... no. BTW: Dupes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9282607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9282607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9318144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9318144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9288521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9288521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9288896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9288896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9527506 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9527506 One of those pointed to this road.cc article where the comments are revealing: http://road.cc/content/news/147107-paint-yourself-visible-night-volvo-develops-new-life-paint-cyclists http://road.cc/content/news/147107-paint-yourself-visible-ni...
- tomjen3 11y ago
  People get angry on the internet. Doesn't seen to matter what the subject is, you can nearly always find somebody angry about it.
- tetraodonpuffer 11y ago
ewood 11y ago
Cool product. Sadly I don't think it would make a huge difference in London, as even the examples shown in their video suggest that the driver saw the cyclist but crossed their path anyway. I find London drivers (and pedestrians) see cyclists ok but are very poor at judging a cyclist's speed and stopping distance. Also a big part of getting around in London is about aggressively claiming space and navigating obstacles, drivers are far more concerned about collisions with other cars and large vehicles and are quite ok with pulling into the path of smaller vehicles and assuming they will stop.
Luc 11y ago
Does anyone know what it's made of? Perhaps microscopic transparent beads with some water-soluble glue?
spdustin 11y ago
I do cycle, and I do not see this as a bad thing, nor that it shifts the blame/burden/etc to me as a cyclist. I am hard to see at night with my tiny rear light and my reflective vest that barely moves and the thin reflective stripes on my pants. If I sprayed the legs of my pants with this, the large area of movement reflecting in headlights would sure as hell make me easier to see. I imagine it sure would help collision avoidance systems, and I can't be the only one thinking that. If it's that reflective for visible light, it's just as reflective for IR and possibly microwaves, and would make the user stand out on computerized collision avoidance systems.
- HCIdivision17 11y ago
  That was the first rule of the motorcycle training course: you're harder to see. Worse, I've had people seem to make eye-contact with me and pull out, and then saw the shock on their face when they actually noticed me; someone once described it as a bad check, where they're looking for cars, and since you're not a car the road's clear. (It's such a confusingly bad heuristic, too, since people seem to do that to trains and trucks as well.) So to help things along, it's useful to be conspicuous. In overcast, low-contrast weather, I'd love for this stuff for my chaps when it's cold and drizzly. EDIT: I wonder what the high viz stuff triggers in terms of object collision warnings in the head. Like, perhaps it seems like a sign, and that makes a person double check they're still on the road? I have that sort of knee-jerk check when someone with bright blue headlamps get behind me, since that color in a mirror used to invariably mean police.
  - Piskvorrr 11y ago
    Yup. "Nothing car-sized in my left mirror, turning...OH-SHIT-SINCE-WHEN-DO-I-HAVE-A-TRAM-WEDGED-IN-THE-CAR-DOOR?!?" is the most common collision scenario for light rail, just as "nothing car-sized in my mirror, let me open the door-OH-SHIT-THAT-BIKE-LANE-WASN'T-THERE-A-SECOND-AGO!!!" is for bikes. Also, see that video I posted in response to GP - reflective stuff is at least an order of magnitude more visible at night than normal (even bright) clothing.
- Piskvorrr 11y ago
milge 11y ago
I've been considering something like this for when I'm riding my motorcycle.
andrenotgiant 11y ago
Before we all get too excited, here is a real-world review of Volvo Life Paint - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzxGx76VQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzxGx76VQQ I read about the stuff when it came out, and was reminded of a similar concept: "anti-paparazzi clothing" made with similarly reflective material https://www.betabrand.com/mens-reflective-flashback-hoodie-jacket.html https://www.betabrand.com/mens-reflective-flashback-hoodie-j... The problem with both of these is that CAMERAS with FLASHES do an exceptionally good job of exaggerating the effect. So in the real world it will never be as bright.
mattkevan 11y ago
I got hold of this stuff when it first came out last year, its fun. Amazon does a whole range of similar products, including one that's safe to use on animal fur. I've often been tempted to spray the cat - keep him safer when out at night, and the idea of a shiny cat is pretty amusing.

60 points by davidbarker 11y ago

Cool marketing, but not a novel idea. There a tons of similar products. I have been told that the paint only lasts 2-3 weeks WITHOUT washing the clothing. I am also hesitant to spray any nice fabric with it. Unless you are in a bind, just use a dedicated riding jacket with reflective fabric.

amelius 11y ago
I'm also concerned about the influence on the environment.

nemesisj 11y ago

To be honest, I was more impressed with their mission statement of "By 2020, no person will be killed or seriously injured by a Volvo". What an incredible goal! I hope they can achieve it.

cwt137 11y ago
They said "by" not "in". Half jokingly, that means by 2020, nobody will be hit by a Volvo car, but the people inside might still suffer injuries if involved in an accident. That can mean the car AI might sacrifice the car passengers to save a pedestrian or cyclist.
- DanBC 11y ago
  Killing the passengers violates the "no person" part.
BillinghamJ 11y ago
Given how ahead-of-the-curve Volvo have been so far (e.g. outside air bags, automatic braking, etc.), I think they're well on track for that. While they seem to be thought of as an old soccer-mom type car company, I personally think of them very highly.
- lbotos 11y ago
  I think the soccer mom image comes from their lack of "sport" focused cars. I looked at their lineup and saw nothing that looked "aggressive" or "sporty". All of the cars looked pretty even keel middle of the road "nice".
  - underwater 11y ago
    The V40 is a sporty looking hatch. Personally I think it looks amazing.
  - mytochar 11y ago
    I believe this was a change in the last maybe 10 years. Before the current line-up of S40's and S60's, their cars looked almost offensively boring (to me); and, with ugly faces. With the new S40's and S60's, I think they are downright pleasant to look at. This may be my perception of that particular coming out of an old generation of looks, and catching up to the current one, though.
  - semi-extrinsic 11y ago
    There are a couple of sporty offerings [1] from their in-house tuning company, Polestar (like AMG for Mercedes, etc.). And the 240 Turbo is still a entry-level rally favorite in Scandinavia. You can easily get 300 bhp, 50/50 weight distribution, manual shift and rear-wheel drive in a '94 model for about $6000, then spend about $1500 prepping it for the entry level rally class. (There is an even cheaper rally class called "Folkrally", where there is a rule to keep the cost down that says at the end of the race, anyone can offer to buy your car for $1700, and you're not allowed to refuse or you lose your rally licence.) [1] http://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/new-models/s60/s60-polestar http://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/new-models/s60/s60-polestar
  - chockablock 11y ago
    It could be argued that not building cars that look "aggressive" is a reflection of their culture of safety. In my view, driving on public roadways should be maximally safe (and thus deeply boring); if you want to treat driving as a sport, then head to a track. Disclaimer: I own a Volvo :)
Justsignedup 11y ago
I hope that achievement will be more than just "well, we put out the paint, but nobody used it!" they certainly need to go much further.
johansch 11y ago
This is one of those things that can start in a small country that happened to have relatively rational politicians and at the time, two car manufacturers - Volvo and Saab. And they all managed to work together towards a common goal. Saab Automobile is no more (sort of), but Volvo appears to be in a renaissance now that it's Chinese-owned (Geely) rather than American-owned (Ford). Ford sold Volvo to Geely in 2010, and since then Volvo has been working on their own platforms, first shipped in the new XC90. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Scalable_Product_Platform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_Scalable_Product_Platfor... More reading: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/nyregion/de-blasio-looks-toward-sweden-for-road-safety.html?_r=0 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/nyregion/de-blasio-looks-t... "The result has been a sort of social contract between state and citizen: If residents follow the most basic traffic laws, engineers can design roads to guard against all fatalities." "'Design around the human as we are,' said Claes Tingvall, the director of traffic safety at the Swedish Transport Administration and a godfather of the Vision Zero plan." https://legacy.tispol.org/interview-room/written-interviews/professor-claes-tingvall-discusses-thinking-behind-vision-zero-tis https://legacy.tispol.org/interview-room/written-interviews/... (In-depth interview with Claes Tingvall.)
bjornsing 11y ago
> "By 2020, no person will be killed or seriously injured by a NEW Volvo" The way things have been going lately for Swedish car manufacturers it seems very likely they'll achieve that goal, by simply going out of business before 2020.
- mh8h 11y ago
  Volvo's new XC90 got stellar reviews, and is selling well. And apparently they are redesigning the whole product line using their new product platforms [0]. I don't think they are going away any time soon. [0] http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/by-2018-volvos-oldest-vehicle-could-be-the-all-new-xc90/ http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/by-2018-volvos-oldest-vehi...

herbig 11y ago

Of course being more visible is going to be safer for you, but let's not let this put even more of the burden of safety on the bicyclist. If this catches on, riding at night without it will be considered as dumb as riding without a helmet, when really nothing is going to protect you from a two ton metal deathtrap coming at you at 20 mph or above. No criminality suspected.

Piskvorrr 11y ago
The only difference from the rest of reflective stuff (armbands, pedals, wheel wire wraps) is the ad-hoc nature of the stuff. Me, I'll stick to the traditional reflective strips (plus lights). The real issue is this: the protective elements are already widely available (to cyclists and pedestrians alike) and cheap - how is this more attractive to the current unlit and dark-clad "ninjas" than existing alternatives? In other words, the product might be useful to people who already do use other safety elements - how is this aimed at the ones who don't?
- herbig 11y ago
  Yeah, I agree. The only thing this has is being new and "cool." To me, it's just more inconvenient than wearing traditional stuff. Bright blinking lights are the best way to increase visibility, and many people (in NYC at least) don't even bother with those.
  - fennecfoxen 11y ago
    Naah. High-visibility fluorescent yellow cycling jackets or similar attire are better ways: your body is a large blob that is much easier to notice than a little blinking light, especially if you're going along areas where there are lots of other light sources competing for the driver's attention. But there's no reason you shouldn't go for both, of course.
mytochar 11y ago
My biggest trouble with cyclists at night, as a driver, has always been the ones that don't have any lights on their bike. Sometimes the reflectors don't even reflect very brightly (or aren't present). When a bike is all lit up, I have no trouble seeing and reacting appropriately to them. I'm probably not a typical driver, though.

ck2 11y ago

They've been doing this to deer antlers for years now http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/20/280220511/these-reindeer-really-do-glow-and-its-for-their-own-good http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/20/280220511/...

ZenoArrow 11y ago

Just in case anyone is interested in getting some, Volvo LifePaint is believed to be a rebranding of an existing product: Albedo100 Invisible Bright. Should be easy enough to buy some. http://www.wired.com/2015/03/lifepaint-reflective-paint/ http://www.wired.com/2015/03/lifepaint-reflective-paint/

buro9 11y ago

I run a cycling forum in London and a Volvo dealer recently approached us to advertise this and offer it for free for some cyclists to try. Whilst we don't do advertising at all, and whilst this isn't for me I thought the free offer may be something people wanted to take up so I asked. The response was loud and clear: Cyclists see this as victim blaming. As a way to externalise responsibility away from the operator of a multi-tonne vehicle to the operator of a 10kg pedal bicycle. Of those who replied, most were angry that things have already got to the point whereby even wearing high-vis, helmets and having very capable lights... one of the first lines in any newspaper report on a cyclist being involved in a road traffic incident remains "the cyclist was wearing a helmet and a high-vis jacket". No mention of whether the lights of a vehicle are in working order, or the driver was paying attention and looking for other road users. In fact, the onus seems to be wholly on the cyclist to be a beacon. If a cyclist is hit by a vehicle, then the cyclist is presumed to be at fault if an overwhelming amount of evidence cannot be immediately proffered showing how visible the cyclist was. That was kind of the thing that made me not want to try it either, but others found the words a hell of a lot better than I and there was real anger there. All that said, Volvo have taken the unique stance of saying that they as a company will take responsibility for incidents where the cause was one of their automatic driving systems. For that they deserve considerable praise, but for this paint... no. BTW: Dupes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9282607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9282607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9318144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9318144 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9288521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9288521 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9288896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9288896 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9527506 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9527506 One of those pointed to this road.cc article where the comments are revealing: http://road.cc/content/news/147107-paint-yourself-visible-night-volvo-develops-new-life-paint-cyclists http://road.cc/content/news/147107-paint-yourself-visible-ni...

tomjen3 11y ago
People get angry on the internet. Doesn't seen to matter what the subject is, you can nearly always find somebody angry about it.
tetraodonpuffer 11y ago

ewood 11y ago

Cool product. Sadly I don't think it would make a huge difference in London, as even the examples shown in their video suggest that the driver saw the cyclist but crossed their path anyway. I find London drivers (and pedestrians) see cyclists ok but are very poor at judging a cyclist's speed and stopping distance. Also a big part of getting around in London is about aggressively claiming space and navigating obstacles, drivers are far more concerned about collisions with other cars and large vehicles and are quite ok with pulling into the path of smaller vehicles and assuming they will stop.

Luc 11y ago

Does anyone know what it's made of? Perhaps microscopic transparent beads with some water-soluble glue?

spdustin 11y ago

I do cycle, and I do not see this as a bad thing, nor that it shifts the blame/burden/etc to me as a cyclist. I am hard to see at night with my tiny rear light and my reflective vest that barely moves and the thin reflective stripes on my pants. If I sprayed the legs of my pants with this, the large area of movement reflecting in headlights would sure as hell make me easier to see. I imagine it sure would help collision avoidance systems, and I can't be the only one thinking that. If it's that reflective for visible light, it's just as reflective for IR and possibly microwaves, and would make the user stand out on computerized collision avoidance systems.

HCIdivision17 11y ago
That was the first rule of the motorcycle training course: you're harder to see. Worse, I've had people seem to make eye-contact with me and pull out, and then saw the shock on their face when they actually noticed me; someone once described it as a bad check, where they're looking for cars, and since you're not a car the road's clear. (It's such a confusingly bad heuristic, too, since people seem to do that to trains and trucks as well.) So to help things along, it's useful to be conspicuous. In overcast, low-contrast weather, I'd love for this stuff for my chaps when it's cold and drizzly. EDIT: I wonder what the high viz stuff triggers in terms of object collision warnings in the head. Like, perhaps it seems like a sign, and that makes a person double check they're still on the road? I have that sort of knee-jerk check when someone with bright blue headlamps get behind me, since that color in a mirror used to invariably mean police.
- Piskvorrr 11y ago
  Yup. "Nothing car-sized in my left mirror, turning...OH-SHIT-SINCE-WHEN-DO-I-HAVE-A-TRAM-WEDGED-IN-THE-CAR-DOOR?!?" is the most common collision scenario for light rail, just as "nothing car-sized in my mirror, let me open the door-OH-SHIT-THAT-BIKE-LANE-WASN'T-THERE-A-SECOND-AGO!!!" is for bikes. Also, see that video I posted in response to GP - reflective stuff is at least an order of magnitude more visible at night than normal (even bright) clothing.
Piskvorrr 11y ago

milge 11y ago

I've been considering something like this for when I'm riding my motorcycle.

andrenotgiant 11y ago

Before we all get too excited, here is a real-world review of Volvo Life Paint - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzxGx76VQQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzxGx76VQQ I read about the stuff when it came out, and was reminded of a similar concept: "anti-paparazzi clothing" made with similarly reflective material https://www.betabrand.com/mens-reflective-flashback-hoodie-jacket.html https://www.betabrand.com/mens-reflective-flashback-hoodie-j... The problem with both of these is that CAMERAS with FLASHES do an exceptionally good job of exaggerating the effect. So in the real world it will never be as bright.

mattkevan 11y ago

I got hold of this stuff when it first came out last year, its fun. Amazon does a whole range of similar products, including one that's safe to use on animal fur. I've often been tempted to spray the cat - keep him safer when out at night, and the idea of a shiny cat is pretty amusing.