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Slack at least keeps an history so you can go back and read the transcript of a conversation you missed that was important. With IRC, you're completely cut out

Slack at least keeps an history so you can go back and read the transcript of a conversation you missed that was important. With IRC, you're completely cut out unless it's in your client's buffer.

pavel_lishin 11y ago
Isn't that one of the things that a good bouncer can do for you? I've checked the logs in my IRC channels on plenty of occasions when the last-30 scrollback wasn't sufficient.
apetresc 11y ago
Hence the logging solutions everyone is mentioning, yet the article criticizes. So, having logging is bad for IRC because it excludes people because... there aren't any logs? What?
joezydeco 11y ago
I'm on a IRC channel that has been running constantly for over 15 years now. We wrote ourselves a logging bot. It was nice for a while, until people started reading scrollback and picking up conversations about themselves that weren't always pretty. Sometimes you need to vent, other times you just want to talk candidly. The consensus was that IRC should be approached like a conference room. If you're there, you can listen. If you're not, you don't get to bug the room. Wasn't the optimal solution (the scrollback and link capture was extremely useful at times), but that's the way it went.
- lmm 11y ago
  If all your project design happens in conference rooms that can be pretty bad. In five years' time people will have no idea why or how a particular decision was taken.
  - Karunamon 11y ago
    Serious question: Is anyone actually able to point to a five years old conversation when trying to understand why a decision was made in most any projects out there today?
    - lmm 11y ago
      I can't check how far back they go right now (site blocked where I am), but yes, I've found IRC logs from a number of years ago useful when trying to understand parts of a couple of OSS projects I contribute to.
      - Karunamon 11y ago
        Huh. This is a resource I'd never considered, then. I've always thought IRC conversations to be mostly ephemeral.
- 91bananas 11y ago
  Simple solution, don't vent about people in public channels where they may be able to see it. [0] Be a normal person and talk behind their back when you get home [0]http://www.anyclip.com/movies/bridesmaids/lillian-and-annies-big-fight/#!quotes/ http://www.anyclip.com/movies/bridesmaids/lillian-and-annies...

Slack at least keeps an history so you can go back and read the transcript of a conversation you missed that was important. With IRC, you're completely cut out unless it's in your client's buffer.

pavel_lishin 11y ago

Isn't that one of the things that a good bouncer can do for you? I've checked the logs in my IRC channels on plenty of occasions when the last-30 scrollback wasn't sufficient.

apetresc 11y ago

Hence the logging solutions everyone is mentioning, yet the article criticizes. So, having logging is bad for IRC because it excludes people because... there aren't any logs? What?

joezydeco 11y ago

I'm on a IRC channel that has been running constantly for over 15 years now. We wrote ourselves a logging bot. It was nice for a while, until people started reading scrollback and picking up conversations about themselves that weren't always pretty. Sometimes you need to vent, other times you just want to talk candidly. The consensus was that IRC should be approached like a conference room. If you're there, you can listen. If you're not, you don't get to bug the room. Wasn't the optimal solution (the scrollback and link capture was extremely useful at times), but that's the way it went.

lmm 11y ago
If all your project design happens in conference rooms that can be pretty bad. In five years' time people will have no idea why or how a particular decision was taken.
- Karunamon 11y ago
  Serious question: Is anyone actually able to point to a five years old conversation when trying to understand why a decision was made in most any projects out there today?
  - lmm 11y ago
    I can't check how far back they go right now (site blocked where I am), but yes, I've found IRC logs from a number of years ago useful when trying to understand parts of a couple of OSS projects I contribute to.
    - Karunamon 11y ago
      Huh. This is a resource I'd never considered, then. I've always thought IRC conversations to be mostly ephemeral.
91bananas 11y ago
Simple solution, don't vent about people in public channels where they may be able to see it. [0] Be a normal person and talk behind their back when you get home [0]http://www.anyclip.com/movies/bridesmaids/lillian-and-annies-big-fight/#!quotes/ http://www.anyclip.com/movies/bridesmaids/lillian-and-annies...