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> I'm not too sure I agree with the government doling out our taxpayers to compensate a dying/legacy industry This is a tradition in Australia. When our law c

by thisrod 11y ago

> I'm not too sure I agree with the government doling out our taxpayers to compensate a dying/legacy industry This is a tradition in Australia. When our law creates property rights that shouldn't exist, and people spend money in good faith to buy those rights, we compensate them when we fix the law and their property stops existing. We did the same thing with water licences: it wasn't the farmers' fault that the legislatures stuffed up and sold them water that didn't exist. Of course, a lot of the money paid for taxi licences was speculation. When people speculate on bad laws staying in force, then lobby the government to ensure that they do, those people deserve to lose their money. Twenty thousand dollars per licence sounds like a good balance to me.

Scoundreller 11y ago
Buy a government license for $100 and your business fails: tough luck. Buy a government license for $100k and your business fails: here's your money back.
- will_hughes 11y ago
  Well, it's closer to 'Bought a taxi plate for $400k, it's now worth ~$280k, here's $20k for your troubles' I'm not sure that the $280k pricetag is going to work given the changes (in Sydney, anyway). The only advantage now that a taxi plate has is that they can stand at ranks, be hailed and operate at the Airport.
  - victorhooi 11y ago
    Taxi medallion fell in price around 2011, because the government increased the supply (consumers started screaming about high taxi prices - and trust me, as a Sydney-sider, they are ridiculous, and the service is on the whole, pretty shoddy. I challenge you to find anybody who will defend Sydney taxi pricing, or their service). You don't see the government compensating the taxi drivers for that - taxpayers would be up in arms. It's only now, that they have somebody external to demonise, that they can get away with giving our money to them. At the end of the day, nothing was taken away from the taxi drivers - they still have exclusive rights to pick up from ranks, and of course, can still operate as taxis. It's just, the digital age caught up with them, and they now have some real competition. A lot of the Uber drivers I spoke to, do this as a part-time gig (at least in Sydney) - they have a car, spare time, why not make use of it. Everybody wins.
    - will_hughes 11y ago
      Taxi prices have nothing to do with the availability of plates - taxi rates are fixed, not demand based. Lower availability of plates would be linked somewhat to higher profits for taxis though (since it should increase their utilisation if the taxi is deployed in high demand areas). Taxi plate owners did complain at the time the supply was increased (iirc saying mainly that there were already too many taxis), but there was little they could do other than make some noise. I'm a Sydneysider and semi-regular taxi user, and given how far out I live from work - well aware of how expensive Sydney taxis are.
  - victorhooi 11y ago
    Taxi medallion fell in price around 2011, because the government increased the supply (consumers started screaming about high taxi prices - and trust me, as a Sydney-sider, they are ridiculous, and the service is on the whole, pretty shoddy. I challenge you to find anybody who will defend Sydney taxi pricing, or their service). You don't see the government compensating the taxi drivers for that - taxpayers would be up in arms. It's only now, that they have somebody external to demonise, that they can get away with giving our money to them. At the end of the day, nothing was taken away from the taxi drivers - they still have exclusive rights to pick up from ranks, and of course, can still operate as taxis. It's just, the digital age caught up with them, and they now have some real competition. A lot of the Uber drivers I spoke to, do this as a part-time gig (at least in Sydney) - they have a car, spare time, why not make use of it to ferry people around. Everybody wins.
  - crdb 11y ago
    Tip for travellers to Sydney: after I complained about a trip costing $35 from the airport to Botany (could have been more, but I realised he was going the long ways early enough), one of my UberX drivers pointed out that the trick is to order the UberX right outside the airport (the bridge works), then phone the driver and arrange for pickup inside.

by thisrod 11y ago

Scoundreller 11y ago

Buy a government license for $100 and your business fails: tough luck. Buy a government license for $100k and your business fails: here's your money back.

will_hughes 11y ago
Well, it's closer to 'Bought a taxi plate for $400k, it's now worth ~$280k, here's $20k for your troubles' I'm not sure that the $280k pricetag is going to work given the changes (in Sydney, anyway). The only advantage now that a taxi plate has is that they can stand at ranks, be hailed and operate at the Airport.
- victorhooi 11y ago
  Taxi medallion fell in price around 2011, because the government increased the supply (consumers started screaming about high taxi prices - and trust me, as a Sydney-sider, they are ridiculous, and the service is on the whole, pretty shoddy. I challenge you to find anybody who will defend Sydney taxi pricing, or their service). You don't see the government compensating the taxi drivers for that - taxpayers would be up in arms. It's only now, that they have somebody external to demonise, that they can get away with giving our money to them. At the end of the day, nothing was taken away from the taxi drivers - they still have exclusive rights to pick up from ranks, and of course, can still operate as taxis. It's just, the digital age caught up with them, and they now have some real competition. A lot of the Uber drivers I spoke to, do this as a part-time gig (at least in Sydney) - they have a car, spare time, why not make use of it. Everybody wins.
  - will_hughes 11y ago
    Taxi prices have nothing to do with the availability of plates - taxi rates are fixed, not demand based. Lower availability of plates would be linked somewhat to higher profits for taxis though (since it should increase their utilisation if the taxi is deployed in high demand areas). Taxi plate owners did complain at the time the supply was increased (iirc saying mainly that there were already too many taxis), but there was little they could do other than make some noise. I'm a Sydneysider and semi-regular taxi user, and given how far out I live from work - well aware of how expensive Sydney taxis are.
- victorhooi 11y ago
  Taxi medallion fell in price around 2011, because the government increased the supply (consumers started screaming about high taxi prices - and trust me, as a Sydney-sider, they are ridiculous, and the service is on the whole, pretty shoddy. I challenge you to find anybody who will defend Sydney taxi pricing, or their service). You don't see the government compensating the taxi drivers for that - taxpayers would be up in arms. It's only now, that they have somebody external to demonise, that they can get away with giving our money to them. At the end of the day, nothing was taken away from the taxi drivers - they still have exclusive rights to pick up from ranks, and of course, can still operate as taxis. It's just, the digital age caught up with them, and they now have some real competition. A lot of the Uber drivers I spoke to, do this as a part-time gig (at least in Sydney) - they have a car, spare time, why not make use of it to ferry people around. Everybody wins.
- crdb 11y ago
  Tip for travellers to Sydney: after I complained about a trip costing $35 from the airport to Botany (could have been more, but I realised he was going the long ways early enough), one of my UberX drivers pointed out that the trick is to order the UberX right outside the airport (the bridge works), then phone the driver and arrange for pickup inside.