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People often go into PhD, like I did, to do research and contribute to the public good. Most people like me dreamed of an academic job with tenure. Tenure so th
by tensor 11y ago
People often go into PhD, like I did, to do research and contribute to the public good. Most people like me dreamed of an academic job with tenure. Tenure so that you can actually do radical work without retribution.
That environment no longer exists. Tenure is highly fought for and there are very few positions. And even if you get tenure, you really don't have the luxury to work on anything you wish because of funding. A good portion of your days as an academic consist of teaching, another good portion is writing grants. If you don't do the popular thing, you don't get grants. If you don't get grants you don't get students.
And sadly, without students that means that you don't get to do much research because the majority of your time is teaching and dealing with grants and other bureaucracy. As my former supervisor put it: you get time to do research yourself when you get home after work.
So you have time, but not much. Most profs use this time, but it's just not enough without grants and students.
Ok, so let's go to industry. You get paid a lot more. You get to do primarily research. But it's not public. It's mostly locked up and directed to ultimately lame purposes like targeting ads or making trades. These help no one and don't help society, so it's really not very enticing to an academic hopeful.
And yes, these researchers do fall off the radar because they stop publishing. They may file patents, but the only people who read those are lawyers. This is because patents are not papers. Their primary purpose is law, and they don't contain any of the information an academic would be interested in. You generally can't reproduce a work from a patent, and patents don't include any requirements of proving your invention works, which is the primary requirement of science.
To make matters worse, the patent office typically patents extremely simple things that aren't even worth the attention of someone trying to achieve state of the art. Essentially patents are a huge joke, so nobody looks at them, either in academia nor industry engineers.
TLDR: people go into academia to make the world a better place and do novel research that gets published to the world for free. Academia is increasingly a bad way to achieve this and industry doesn't achieve this at all. Though industry does get you paid so ends up being the fall back, even if you fall off the map.
- chrisseaton 11y agoIndustry researchers don't do things in public and don't publish? Lame purposes and helps no one? Again I just can't relate any of that to what I know at all! When I finished my PhD I moved into industry and basically kept working on the same project. I work for a megacorp, and almost everything I do is developed fully in the open (public GitHub repo, not a mirror), we publish several times a year at the same venues I did in academia, and everyone is free to benefit from what I work on from using the code, reading the code, reading the papers etc. And this isn't unusual. I know many many people in the academic community who do almost exactly the same thing. Look at everyone in Microsoft Research, Oracle Labs, IBM TJ Watson, etc.
- gr33nman 11y agoThere are a few industry options for the sciences but less so for the humanities, where tenure is intended to protect scholars who investigate and question things that the wealthy and powerful might find dangerous to their interests (e.g. Marxism).
- gr33nman 11y agoAlso, it sounds like you are talking about (software) engineering, rather than basic science (e.g., astronomy). There are plenty of questions humanity would like for science to answer for which there is no financial incentive to a corporation.
- dagw 11y agoMost people like me dreamed of an academic job with tenure. Not in my experience. It might be true in subjects like english, history and the social sciences where jobs in industry are rare, but and certainly not in the technical engineering fields. Most people I know getting a PhD did so with the intention of moving on to the private sector. And I don't know what industry you are in, but lots of companies publish papers and present their research at conferences.
- amelius 11y agoWhy not work part-time in industry (it pays well), and do science in the remaining time?
- astazangasta 11y agoBecause I want my work to be meaningful, and I don't want to be a shill. I want my contributions to go to mankind (the model of science) not some rich investor (the model of industry). Plus the work in industry is almost universally boring compared to the work in academia.