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Baidu says it's developed China's first fully autonomous self-driving car
- ttflee 11y agoThere must be some subtle differences in the definition of China's first fully autonomous self-driving car: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://scitech.people.com.cn/GB/15248973.html&prev=search https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http...
- codeulike 11y agoA fully autonomous self driving car is pretty easy. Making one that doesn't crash is the hard part. You can wedge a brick on the accelerator pedal and call that autonomous. Its autonomous for the whole 10 seconds before it hits a wall.
- mchahn 11y agoI'd much rather be driving next to a car that can see 360 degrees and respond in milliseconds than next to a human. The sooner this happens the better.
- balls187 11y agoIn this scenario, you as a human driver is still a fundamental flaw.
- skj 11y agoHerd immunity. If 90% of cars are super predictable autonomous vehicles, the 10% remaining will be very safe. Unless they're teenagers. God help us.
- simonebrunozzi 11y agoSame for me, with a few small caveats. And, I would add: next to a human that might have had a few too many drinks just before getting into the car.
- dibujante 11y agoAndrew Ng works for Baidu now, so I'm not surprised.
- skj 11y agoAnd they'll actually be able to go full-speed on the highway, kill people (less than real drivers), but still continue on in development without massive public outcry! I wonder, if someone could make a self-driving car that could pass a road test (including taking verbal instructions from the tester), would people be ok with that one being on the highways?
- tiles 11y agoI wonder if people would even show confidence knowing the difficulty of other drivers' road tests, given how easily they can vary based on instructor and region.
- intopieces 11y ago> kill people (less than real drivers) What does this mean?
- sebastianavina 11y agoin china, you can override the law without major consequences... some day, at full velocity a car will kill someone, and they will discover a bug, patch it , and keep life... in america that would mean a thousand million dollar lawsuit.
- Tuna-Fish 11y agoThe moment you start mass-producing self-driving cars, people will start dying in accidents that were caused by them. Even if they are vastly safer than human drivers^+ , the sheer amount of cars on the highway and the varied situations they get in will mean that there will be accidents caused directly by bad decisions done by the computer. The legal system we have is a lot more lenient to human error than it is to other causes, and this is a major problem, because it means that even if going all AI cars would mean that we lower the fatality rate by 97%, that still means a thousand deaths a year that can be blamed on one company. That company could not possibly continue operating, even if they would be saving 29000 lives every year. I am generally not a fan of the Chinese government, but this is one way in which their system is better than ours. They have people in positions where they can do the math and decide that if some decision greatly saves lives on the net, they can enact it even if it directly causes (less) lives to be lost. ^+ And really, that isn't a hard goal to reach. People largely don't cause fatalities because they are bad at driving, they cause them because they are impaired in one way or another and because the reaction times at high speeds are too hard for humans. Most early AI cars will probably be shitty, but they will largely be shitty in ways that don't endanger the occupants.
- est 11y agoBIDU launches one or two vaporwares every year and this is one of them.
- est 11y agookay, since someone is probably pissed at this comment, to clarify, this sentence is a quote from @Fenng here http://weibo.com/1577826897/Czz1zj82y http://weibo.com/1577826897/Czz1zj82y Let's see how many vaporware were released by BDIU in 2014: http://tech.sina.com.cn/i/2015-01-08/16219941986.shtml http://tech.sina.com.cn/i/2015-01-08/16219941986.shtml
- steven2012 11y agoI would love to see it actually try to drive in a city like Beijing or Shanghai. I've been to both cities several times for work, and I can say that if it can drive in conditions like that, then it can drive anywhere.
- train_robber 11y agoYou haven't been to India I suppose. But more seriously I agree. Having self-driving cars negotiating road traffic in places where the traffic rules are 'blurry' and rarely (if ever) followed to the dot; is going to be a big challenge.
- chvid 11y agoRoad conditions and general behaviour in traffic is much better in China than in South-East Asia or India. I would not be surprised if China ends up being the first place with self-driving cars at a large scale. Because the road instructure is in general good and new - and with government support (which a company like Baidu has) legislation and infrastructure will be changed to accommodate self-driving vehicles much faster than we would be willing to do it in the west.
- SimpleMinds 11y agoAccording to other sources, they did drive it in Beijing - and in bad conditions [1] "We’ve tested the car at night and day, as well as in medium rain, and – since this is Beijing – in smog of course." [1] https://www.techinasia.com/baidu-autonomous-car-hits-roads-china/ https://www.techinasia.com/baidu-autonomous-car-hits-roads-c...
- lukewrites 11y agoBeijing covers a very large area, including isolated (if not deserted) country roads and massive amounts of highway. It's much more likely that they drove in a rural area (or in a deserted corner of Zhongguancun) than on any road inside the fourth ring road.
- tim333 11y agoSaigon where I am would be an interesting test case too: http://www.saigon-gpdaily.com.vn/dataimages/original/2011/12/images212794_traffic.bmp http://www.saigon-gpdaily.com.vn/dataimages/original/2011/12... It takes a bit of getting used to as a human driver too but in some ways isn't so bad. The rules work more like walking through a crowd of pedestrians going in random directions than regular driving.
- eccstartup 11y agohahaha
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- dujiulun2006 11y agoBaidu also claims innovation is their source of power (or some crap like this). Even though it's most famous for showing fake hospitals' ads for 1000 Yuan per click.
- tajen 11y agoI wonder what is in common between a search engine and a driverless car. Apart from creating a Google copycat. I'm persuaded they did reinvent all the internals of the car, so when you're at that point of innovation, why copy Google's list of departments?
- nabla9 11y agoAndrew Ng works for Baidu. Their face recognition software is currently much better than second best (Google) 0.37% vs 0.15% error, Their voice recognition seems to be the very best. What they are famous for now is not what they are famous for in the next few years.
- daveguy 11y agoDo you have a citation for that? Those error rates seem extremely low for facial recognition. They look closer to MNIST than anything.
- mosselman 11y agoI find it comical that they used a BMW to do this rather than a Chinese car.
- olalonde 11y agoAnd Google using Toyota instead of an American car... It's almost as if mega corporations didn't care about this kind of stuff.
- casion 11y agoToyota's sold in America are largely American. Currently the Toyota Camry is the 'Most American Car'. Though, the prius is made in Japan currently with plans to move production to the US.
- varjag 11y agoSame Baidu that just cheated on machine learning contest? K I'll pass..
- grondilu 11y agoThat's the kind of claim that is difficult to believe unless we have a footage of the driving from inside the car or something like that.
- saintfiends 11y agoAnd yet still their search engine does not support indexing HTTPS content.
- iofj 11y agoKeep in mind this is Baidu. This baidu: http://dswalter.github.io/blog/machine-learnings-first-cheating-scandal/ http://dswalter.github.io/blog/machine-learnings-first-cheat...