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The paradox is that IMO the simplest way forward is to use the most modern tools. The modern tools and languages are generally there to make things easier. Th

The paradox is that IMO the simplest way forward is to use the most modern tools. The modern tools and languages are generally there to make things easier. The trouble is that you need to learn those tools and languages before you can get to do it the easy way. For example, I really can't afford to program with any JavaScript language except ES2015 - I just don't have time to try to understand all the weird idiosyncrasies and underpowered crap that is older versions of JavaScript - I need to work with "JavaScript that makes sense" i.e. ES2015. But to do that I need to be able to wrap my head around - and fight all the myriad problems with - getting my ES2015 to compile using the webpack babel toolchain. It's a strange thing about programming that to understand the easiest way to do it you need to have a higher order understanding of the entire programming system that you are working with.

_cudgel 11y ago
The paradox is that IMO the simplest way forward is... I feel like this statement is the crux of the issue. Have you considered that your opinion is simply wrong?
- johansch 11y ago
  OP: It hurts so much when I run into walls. Everyone else: Stop running into walls then. OP: But they are so shiny. I think running into them is the best way forward for me. Please keep me a trick that allows me to run into them without pain. Everyone else: Eh..
throwawayaway 11y ago
I'm with everyone else here that says you need to forget about the trendy junk and get the job done. Think brutally effective rather than elegant or modern. The simplest most old fashioned method that will work is often good enough. > The trouble is that you need to learn those tools and languages before you can get to do it the easy way. this is never some weird tradeoff, this is simply people selling you bullshit and you buying in.
hammerandtongs 11y ago
Just get babel running without the webpack and modules gorp. I thought it was all a mess too and wasted a few hours. babel ./*js -s -w -d ../../target/ Move on to solving real problems with code. I agree with your sentiment that you should try at least get es2015 going though. Good luck.
jryan49 11y ago
Bleeding edge tools have the drawback of people not fully knowing their flaws and drawbacks.

_cudgel 11y ago

The paradox is that IMO the simplest way forward is... I feel like this statement is the crux of the issue. Have you considered that your opinion is simply wrong?

johansch 11y ago
OP: It hurts so much when I run into walls. Everyone else: Stop running into walls then. OP: But they are so shiny. I think running into them is the best way forward for me. Please keep me a trick that allows me to run into them without pain. Everyone else: Eh..

throwawayaway 11y ago

I'm with everyone else here that says you need to forget about the trendy junk and get the job done. Think brutally effective rather than elegant or modern. The simplest most old fashioned method that will work is often good enough. > The trouble is that you need to learn those tools and languages before you can get to do it the easy way. this is never some weird tradeoff, this is simply people selling you bullshit and you buying in.

hammerandtongs 11y ago

Just get babel running without the webpack and modules gorp. I thought it was all a mess too and wasted a few hours. babel ./*js -s -w -d ../../target/ Move on to solving real problems with code. I agree with your sentiment that you should try at least get es2015 going though. Good luck.

jryan49 11y ago

Bleeding edge tools have the drawback of people not fully knowing their flaws and drawbacks.