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I love people who provide free scientific material for college student (or overall everybody). I am in religious country and I am ex-Muslim . In my perspective

by 0xFFC 11y ago

I love people who provide free scientific material for college student (or overall everybody). I am in religious country and I am ex-Muslim . In my perspective , if I were to choose prophet for humanity , I would choose people who educate people (or provide education material -books , papers, etc- for people) freely . p.s. no offence . I am not saying people who selling their books are bad guys, not at all . I am just saying people who provide free material in my opinion are doing something incredible to humanity . update : When I am saying "educate people* , I absolutely mean science.

zappo2938 11y ago
Isn't science and things like the invention of the scientific method and Arab numerals deeply rooted in the history of Islam?
- mkempe 11y ago
  Not at all.
  - skeuomorf 11y ago
    Cite? Cause Al-Hassan Ibn Al-Haytham (Arab muslim), Al-Biruni (Persian muslim) and Ibn Sina (Persian muslim) among others played a big role in the development of the scientific method.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method#Emergence_of_inductive_experimental_method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method#E...
    - mkempe 11y ago
      The development of science is rooted in the works of Aristotle, Galileo, Bacon, and Newton. In order to succeed in the West it had to break the stranglehold of Christianity on the intellectual scene (thanks to Aquinas). Further, science has nothing to do with religion in general, and the Moslem religion in particular. On the contrary, Islam is radically opposed to reason, and the few science-minded intellectuals, inspired by Ancient Greek texts, that lived undr Islam rule a thousand years ago were persecuted whenever they attempted to uphold reason over faith. Parts of the growth of mathematics in the West, from time of the Renaissance, was inspired by the rediscovery of Ancient Greek texts. The Western mathematicians who looked at what Moslems had done with this were mostly revulsed, especially by their bad transaltions, and hence returned to the study of the original texts and problems, such as the Diophantine equations.
      - dang 11y ago
        Religious flamewars are not welcome on Hacker News.
        deleted 11y ago
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        mkempe 11y ago
        OK. I thought one could point out that science and mathematics do not belong to the religious realm because they are rooted in reason and the evidence of the senses, not faith. I highly recommend "The Aristotle Adventure: A Guide to the Greek, Arabic, & Latin Scholars Who Transmitted Aristotle's Logic to the Renaissance" -- http://amazon.com/dp/0964471493 http://amazon.com/dp/0964471493 I also think the history of the Diophantine equations is fascinating, all the way to their rediscovery during the Renaissance, and the impact this had on the modern development of analysis, symbolic notation, geometry, and complex numbers. It took more than one thousand years to go from Diophantus to suddenly Bachet, Fermat, and Descartes.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
    What about this dude: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi
    - deleted 11y ago
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  - srean 11y ago
    I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhazen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhazen deserves to be better known and I am forever intrigued by Omar Khayam. Those so called "Dark ages" was a very Christian thing. At that time Islam was doing pretty well by many standards of modernity, better than most of Europe.
    - ousta 11y ago
      i think you might have thought you were on reddit right? putting comments like this without any comments backing it up and saying some leftist narrow minded view of the world full of self hatred toward the christian civilisation that accounted for a lot in the fact that you can today type on a keyboard posting on the internet (yes you guys think it is alright as you don't insult an opressed minority I know) won't work on HN.
      - srean 11y ago
        > the fact that you can today type on a keyboard posting on the internet Perhaps you have heard of 'algebra', 'algorithm', 'algorism', 'positional system', etc. perhaps not., Perhaps you will comprehend the connection, then again perhaps not. BTW are leftists primarily christian ? Otherwise the 'self hatred' part would require some out of body experience. EDIT: Apologies HN for feeding the troll, hadn't checked his/her comment history before.
        ousta 11y ago
        algebra exists since babylonian or egyptian era. but if you want to give credit for it to someone that fits better your agenda than a disapeared civilisation then I will consent to it. Leftists obviously are not pro christians. they are anti-religion as long as the religion is christian and in the majority. when the religion is a minority then it is a religion of peace that has invented everything from the wheel to the space shuttles.
        srean 11y ago
        Dude breathe some fresh air, checkout a psychiatrist or something. > algebra exists since babylonian or egyptian era Precisely. I hope you realize it counterpoints your demand that I be grateful to Christian tech to the point of exclusion of others. In any case enough of this, this is way off topic.
- 0xFFC 11y ago
  Despite being ex-Muslim (and being an atheist) I don't have (or care) any viable information about history.Specially about Islam's history.
  - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
    History's a hell of a thing with lots of stuff to learn in it.
- mchaver 11y ago
  Arab numerals originate from India. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hindu%E2%80%93Arabic_numeral_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hindu%E2%80%93A...
- reality_czech 11y ago
  That's kind of a weird question to ask. You are implying that somehow Islam is responsible for "the invention of the scientific method and Arab numerals." I don't think that's the case at all... there is nothing in the holy books of any of the major religions that could really be called the scientific method or Arab numerals. Cheerleading because some particular scientist or mathematician had [insert nationality or religion here] is kind of silly.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > You are implying that somehow Islam is responsible for "the invention of the scientific method and Arab numerals." I don't think that's the case at all... This much I agree with (though there may be a role of Islamic society in the development or spread of some key ideas, and Islam may contribute to that, calling Islam responsible for either the scientific method or the use of Arabic numerals is going farther than is supported.) However, I must take issue with this as support of it: > there is nothing in the holy books of any of the major religions that could really be called the scientific method or Arab numerals. While some major religions (especially, the Abrahamic ones) may give particularly important roles to "holy books", none of them have a content limited to their respective holy books, even if some (or some branches within some) purport that the entire content of the religion is derived from or capable of being understood by understanding the appropriate holy book. (Particularly, many of the groups for whom such a belief is part of the content of the religion have a holy book which does not contain that claim about itself, making such a belief about the role of the holy book itself a part of the content of the religion that is not contained within the holy book.) As such, the fact that something is not explicit in a religions holy book is not a basis for dismissing the responsibility or influence of the religion in that thing.
- silentsea90 11y ago
  Arab numerals actually come from India. Fun fact: Arabic goes from right to left but their numbers go from left to right, because they were learnt from Sanskrit which is written from left to right.

by 0xFFC 11y ago

zappo2938 11y ago

Isn't science and things like the invention of the scientific method and Arab numerals deeply rooted in the history of Islam?

mkempe 11y ago
Not at all.
- skeuomorf 11y ago
  Cite? Cause Al-Hassan Ibn Al-Haytham (Arab muslim), Al-Biruni (Persian muslim) and Ibn Sina (Persian muslim) among others played a big role in the development of the scientific method.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method#Emergence_of_inductive_experimental_method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_scientific_method#E...
  - mkempe 11y ago
    The development of science is rooted in the works of Aristotle, Galileo, Bacon, and Newton. In order to succeed in the West it had to break the stranglehold of Christianity on the intellectual scene (thanks to Aquinas). Further, science has nothing to do with religion in general, and the Moslem religion in particular. On the contrary, Islam is radically opposed to reason, and the few science-minded intellectuals, inspired by Ancient Greek texts, that lived undr Islam rule a thousand years ago were persecuted whenever they attempted to uphold reason over faith. Parts of the growth of mathematics in the West, from time of the Renaissance, was inspired by the rediscovery of Ancient Greek texts. The Western mathematicians who looked at what Moslems had done with this were mostly revulsed, especially by their bad transaltions, and hence returned to the study of the original texts and problems, such as the Diophantine equations.
    - dang 11y ago
      Religious flamewars are not welcome on Hacker News.
      - deleted 11y ago
        [deleted]
      - mkempe 11y ago
        OK. I thought one could point out that science and mathematics do not belong to the religious realm because they are rooted in reason and the evidence of the senses, not faith. I highly recommend "The Aristotle Adventure: A Guide to the Greek, Arabic, & Latin Scholars Who Transmitted Aristotle's Logic to the Renaissance" -- http://amazon.com/dp/0964471493 http://amazon.com/dp/0964471493 I also think the history of the Diophantine equations is fascinating, all the way to their rediscovery during the Renaissance, and the impact this had on the modern development of analysis, symbolic notation, geometry, and complex numbers. It took more than one thousand years to go from Diophantus to suddenly Bachet, Fermat, and Descartes.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
  What about this dude: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_Musa_al-Khwarizmi
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
- srean 11y ago
  I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhazen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhazen deserves to be better known and I am forever intrigued by Omar Khayam. Those so called "Dark ages" was a very Christian thing. At that time Islam was doing pretty well by many standards of modernity, better than most of Europe.
  - ousta 11y ago
    i think you might have thought you were on reddit right? putting comments like this without any comments backing it up and saying some leftist narrow minded view of the world full of self hatred toward the christian civilisation that accounted for a lot in the fact that you can today type on a keyboard posting on the internet (yes you guys think it is alright as you don't insult an opressed minority I know) won't work on HN.
    - srean 11y ago
      > the fact that you can today type on a keyboard posting on the internet Perhaps you have heard of 'algebra', 'algorithm', 'algorism', 'positional system', etc. perhaps not., Perhaps you will comprehend the connection, then again perhaps not. BTW are leftists primarily christian ? Otherwise the 'self hatred' part would require some out of body experience. EDIT: Apologies HN for feeding the troll, hadn't checked his/her comment history before.
      - ousta 11y ago
        algebra exists since babylonian or egyptian era. but if you want to give credit for it to someone that fits better your agenda than a disapeared civilisation then I will consent to it. Leftists obviously are not pro christians. they are anti-religion as long as the religion is christian and in the majority. when the religion is a minority then it is a religion of peace that has invented everything from the wheel to the space shuttles.
        srean 11y ago
        Dude breathe some fresh air, checkout a psychiatrist or something. > algebra exists since babylonian or egyptian era Precisely. I hope you realize it counterpoints your demand that I be grateful to Christian tech to the point of exclusion of others. In any case enough of this, this is way off topic.
0xFFC 11y ago
Despite being ex-Muslim (and being an atheist) I don't have (or care) any viable information about history.Specially about Islam's history.
- GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
  History's a hell of a thing with lots of stuff to learn in it.
mchaver 11y ago
Arab numerals originate from India. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hindu%E2%80%93Arabic_numeral_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Hindu%E2%80%93A...
reality_czech 11y ago
That's kind of a weird question to ask. You are implying that somehow Islam is responsible for "the invention of the scientific method and Arab numerals." I don't think that's the case at all... there is nothing in the holy books of any of the major religions that could really be called the scientific method or Arab numerals. Cheerleading because some particular scientist or mathematician had [insert nationality or religion here] is kind of silly.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > You are implying that somehow Islam is responsible for "the invention of the scientific method and Arab numerals." I don't think that's the case at all... This much I agree with (though there may be a role of Islamic society in the development or spread of some key ideas, and Islam may contribute to that, calling Islam responsible for either the scientific method or the use of Arabic numerals is going farther than is supported.) However, I must take issue with this as support of it: > there is nothing in the holy books of any of the major religions that could really be called the scientific method or Arab numerals. While some major religions (especially, the Abrahamic ones) may give particularly important roles to "holy books", none of them have a content limited to their respective holy books, even if some (or some branches within some) purport that the entire content of the religion is derived from or capable of being understood by understanding the appropriate holy book. (Particularly, many of the groups for whom such a belief is part of the content of the religion have a holy book which does not contain that claim about itself, making such a belief about the role of the holy book itself a part of the content of the religion that is not contained within the holy book.) As such, the fact that something is not explicit in a religions holy book is not a basis for dismissing the responsibility or influence of the religion in that thing.
silentsea90 11y ago
Arab numerals actually come from India. Fun fact: Arabic goes from right to left but their numbers go from left to right, because they were learnt from Sanskrit which is written from left to right.