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And taking someone else's money at gunpoint is not? Taxes ain't voluntary, you know.

by cpursley 11y ago

run4yourlives2 11y ago
Of course it's voluntary. You are more than welcome to leave the country.
- cobaltblue 11y ago
  The US still demands my taxes 10 years after I leave the country.
  - cpursley 11y ago
    Minor correction: Not 10 years after you leave, but for 10 years after walking into a US embassy and relinquishing citizenship. Only then, you have the privilege to pay tax to a state you no longer are a citizen of for the next 10 years. For all other US citizens working overseas, you owe uncle sam a tax return every year no matter if it's for 5 years or 50. Only two nations in the world tax their citizens who live abroad. The other one is an African dictatorship.
    - doktrin 11y ago
      > Minor correction: Not 10 years after you leave, but for 10 years after walking into a US embassy and relinquishing citizenship What specifically are you guys referring to? I can't find any reference to a 10-year tax obligation after renouncing US citizenshp. Is this part of the post 2008 expatriation tax?
      - cpursley 11y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_tax#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_tax#United_States http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/23/expatriation-exit-tax-limbaugh-obamacare-personal-finance-robert-wood.html http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/23/expatriation-exit-tax-limba... http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/11/thousands-renounce-u-s-citizenship-hitting-new-record-not-just-over-taxes/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/11/thousands-... https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Expatriation-Tax https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Expa...
        doktrin 11y ago
        Thanks for the info. That was a frustrating read.
    - LunaSea 11y ago
      What would stop you from not paying ?
      - doktrin 11y ago
        Presumably the long arm of the US judicial system. I doubt they'd send drones after you in a non-extradition country, but short of that there's a lot they could potentially do to make your life very unpleasant.
- khgvljhkb 11y ago
  So you can choose: * Pay up to the state * Get thrown in jail * Go in exile
  - run4yourlives2 11y ago
    ? Or option 4 (by far the most popular) - emigrate to another area.
CuriousSkeptic 11y ago
Under the assumption that everything you have and get is just and fair I agree. It is a strong assumption though, and It deserves to be examined. Externalities: Do you contribute to pollution? If so should you not then pay a fair price in compensation to us all for that privilege? Rule of law: Do you derive rent, or benefits, from property? Are you not dependent on society to define those property rights, and enforce them? Should you not pay a fair price in compensation for that privilege?

And taking someone else's money at gunpoint is not? Taxes ain't voluntary, you know.

run4yourlives2 11y ago

Of course it's voluntary. You are more than welcome to leave the country.

cobaltblue 11y ago
The US still demands my taxes 10 years after I leave the country.
- cpursley 11y ago
  Minor correction: Not 10 years after you leave, but for 10 years after walking into a US embassy and relinquishing citizenship. Only then, you have the privilege to pay tax to a state you no longer are a citizen of for the next 10 years. For all other US citizens working overseas, you owe uncle sam a tax return every year no matter if it's for 5 years or 50. Only two nations in the world tax their citizens who live abroad. The other one is an African dictatorship.
  - doktrin 11y ago
    > Minor correction: Not 10 years after you leave, but for 10 years after walking into a US embassy and relinquishing citizenship What specifically are you guys referring to? I can't find any reference to a 10-year tax obligation after renouncing US citizenshp. Is this part of the post 2008 expatriation tax?
    - cpursley 11y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_tax#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriation_tax#United_States http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/23/expatriation-exit-tax-limbaugh-obamacare-personal-finance-robert-wood.html http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/23/expatriation-exit-tax-limba... http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/11/thousands-renounce-u-s-citizenship-hitting-new-record-not-just-over-taxes/ http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/02/11/thousands-... https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Expatriation-Tax https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/International-Taxpayers/Expa...
      - doktrin 11y ago
        Thanks for the info. That was a frustrating read.
  - LunaSea 11y ago
    What would stop you from not paying ?
    - doktrin 11y ago
      Presumably the long arm of the US judicial system. I doubt they'd send drones after you in a non-extradition country, but short of that there's a lot they could potentially do to make your life very unpleasant.
khgvljhkb 11y ago
So you can choose: * Pay up to the state * Get thrown in jail * Go in exile
- run4yourlives2 11y ago
  ? Or option 4 (by far the most popular) - emigrate to another area.

CuriousSkeptic 11y ago

Under the assumption that everything you have and get is just and fair I agree. It is a strong assumption though, and It deserves to be examined. Externalities: Do you contribute to pollution? If so should you not then pay a fair price in compensation to us all for that privilege? Rule of law: Do you derive rent, or benefits, from property? Are you not dependent on society to define those property rights, and enforce them? Should you not pay a fair price in compensation for that privilege?