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Hey people, I have a file on GrumpyBen, can someone please lock him up as he is deemed a threat to public safety? Joking aside, if activists committed any crim

Hey people, I have a file on GrumpyBen, can someone please lock him up as he is deemed a threat to public safety? Joking aside, if activists committed any crime, you follow the legal procedures and challenge them in a court of law before a judge and let the defendants present their case in a free trial and see if any of the charges you brought against them sticks, otherwise shut up and leave them alone because if you start allowing police to hand out sentences without legal recourse to challenge these arbitrary punishments, you'll descend slowly into a police state and horrific society to live within.

vegabook 11y ago
I don't find your "joke" very funny at all, in the aftermath of almost 200 terrorist deaths (in the west) in November alone. GrumpyBen's prescription is not fun and anti-liberty, but so is living in a society being preyed upon by violent groups within it.
- gotchange 11y ago
  I don't find your comment constructive at all. First, it wasn't a joke. Second, we were discussing putting environment activists under arbitrary house arrest not terrorists or terrorism. Your anger at the tragic death should be directed at the terrorists or the security apparatus which failed miserably to protect people in the "west" and not at me or the activists. Try next time to read the comments first before jumping into the discussion.
  - vegabook 11y ago
    your silly faux-incitement "joking" (your words) strikes the wrong tone in this literally deadly-serious subject matter, and if it potentially offends sensibilities then I'm sorry, but pointing that out to you can be constructive.
GrumpyBen 11y ago
I agree with you and that's actually the case here. If these activists think their house arrest is unfair, they can complain to an administrative judge that will look into their case.
- gotchange 11y ago
  No, it should be the other way around. You have to get a verdict first in order to detain them and not let them do the job for you and make them go through hardships for a redress and emergency laws are not just or fair to entertain them .
  - GrumpyBen 11y ago
    This is temporary, the country is in "state of emergency", that gives the government and the police special powers to reestablish order. I think that was justified after the attacks but I would oppose it if the government wants to extend it past 3 months.
    - chii 11y ago
      But the police is taking advantage and using these powers to detain people that otherwise they don't have the right to detain, such as env activists.

vegabook 11y ago

I don't find your "joke" very funny at all, in the aftermath of almost 200 terrorist deaths (in the west) in November alone. GrumpyBen's prescription is not fun and anti-liberty, but so is living in a society being preyed upon by violent groups within it.

gotchange 11y ago
I don't find your comment constructive at all. First, it wasn't a joke. Second, we were discussing putting environment activists under arbitrary house arrest not terrorists or terrorism. Your anger at the tragic death should be directed at the terrorists or the security apparatus which failed miserably to protect people in the "west" and not at me or the activists. Try next time to read the comments first before jumping into the discussion.
- vegabook 11y ago
  your silly faux-incitement "joking" (your words) strikes the wrong tone in this literally deadly-serious subject matter, and if it potentially offends sensibilities then I'm sorry, but pointing that out to you can be constructive.

GrumpyBen 11y ago

I agree with you and that's actually the case here. If these activists think their house arrest is unfair, they can complain to an administrative judge that will look into their case.

gotchange 11y ago
No, it should be the other way around. You have to get a verdict first in order to detain them and not let them do the job for you and make them go through hardships for a redress and emergency laws are not just or fair to entertain them .
- GrumpyBen 11y ago
  This is temporary, the country is in "state of emergency", that gives the government and the police special powers to reestablish order. I think that was justified after the attacks but I would oppose it if the government wants to extend it past 3 months.
  - chii 11y ago
    But the police is taking advantage and using these powers to detain people that otherwise they don't have the right to detain, such as env activists.